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Shot my first reloads today..........
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Well with quite a bit of help from the folks at Accurate Reloading I got my first rounds loaded and today I took them to the range. I'm happy to say that I didn't have any pressure issues, duds or slam fires. Also, several of the loads seemed to do well in my Rem 700 LVSF. The following is what I loaded as well as the photos and groups sizes. I measured groups outside to outside and subtracted .284"...I also listed the overall outside to outside measurement.

Barnes TSX 140gr/Winchester Brass/CCI BR Primers/Varget Powder.2.735 COAL

42 grains of Varget = .543"
42.5 = .711"
43 = 1.043"
43.5 = .433"
44 = .625"

2.776" COAL


42.5 grains of Varget = .998"
43.5 grains of Varget = .542"

Barnes TSX 160gr/Winchester Brass/CCI BR Primers/H414/2.735 COAL

41 grains of H414 = 1.626"
41.5 = 1.229"
42 = .719"
42.5 = .950
43 = 2.444"

So it appears that I will be using 43.5 grains of Varget with the 140 TSX's for Deer and if I get the chance to go for something larger I can use 42 grains of H414 for the 160 TSX's.

Based on this data what would you do next?

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Be careful or you'll find you self hooked owning dozens of die sets.

Thousands of rounds of brass laying, lbs of powder.

Buying primers ect in 5000 lots ect. Powder in 32 pound lots to save on haz mat charges.

Good luck and have lots of fun. cheers
 
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You are off to a good start. The 160TSX is a little slow in the 708 and at longer distance it may not open up as well due to speed loss. You will find the 140TSX is just about perfect for speed and accuracy out of the 708. I loaded some 120TSX that run over3000 fps but have not tried them on game yet. I had 6 one shot kills with the 140 TSX in 2005.
 
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You are off to a good start. The 160TSX is a little slow in the 708 and at longer distance it may not open up as well due to speed loss. You will find the 140TSX is just about perfect for speed and accuracy out of the 708. I loaded some 120TSX that run over3000 fps but have not tried them on game yet. I had 6 one shot kills with the 140 TSX in 2005.


Dwight,

Thanks again for all of your help.

Did you notice that both 43.5gr Varget loads shot well...The 2.735" and the 2.776" were very good...On the next outing I'm going to start with 43.5 and move up to 46 as I saw no evedence of pressure issues today. What do you think?


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dancingBruz thats fantastic all the way round, excellent job,A+ rateing, chronograph your loads n keep a log book memory only does so much,test other bullets that you'd like to try ,go hunt some animals,i'd say your ready,congrats jjmp
 
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Did you notice that both 43.5gr Varget loads shot well...The 2.735" and the 2.776" were very good...On the next outing I'm going to start with 43.5 and move up to 46 as I saw no evedence of pressure issues today. What do you think?



Most of the books quit in the 42- 44 gr range with Varget and a 140 gr bullet in the 7-08. I don`t know what the max listed is for the Barnes, but with the accuracy you have found and the little extra you may gain adding a couple grs, I`d be happy and see if you can tweek the load you have and get a it a bit tighter.
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Don't try 46. I can do it with my rifle but it has always liked hot loads but I load mine at 44.5 with Varget and the 140TSX. I figure if I am always running right at max that I will erode the barrel too fast and this one shoots fantastic.
You should get good results with 44 or 44.5 but the first sign of pressure stop and backup a little.
 
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The 160TSX is a little slow in the 708 and at longer distance it may not open up as well due to speed loss. You will find the 140TSX is just about perfect for speed and accuracy out of the 708.


Ditto that. If you can't kill it with the 140 grain TSX in 7mm, you don't need a longer bullet, you need a bigger caliber. The old notions about bullet weight aren't all that true with today's premium bullets. Try that bullet on game before you worry about loading the 160s. I expect you will be suitably impressed enough with the penetration that you will forego loading the heavier ones.

Your current load should put you in a good place for impact velocities on that bullet at sensible ranges. These bullets need an impact velocity of at least 2200 fps (though Barnes claims 2000 fps) to open fully and reliably. Loading the 160 will probably cost you upwards of 200 fps in the 7mm-08 case. The net result mostly being you have reduced your effective hunting range.

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The 160TSX is a little slow in the 708 and at longer distance it may not open up as well due to speed loss. You will find the 140TSX is just about perfect for speed and accuracy out of the 708.


Ditto that. If you can't kill it with the 140 grain TSX in 7mm, you don't need a longer bullet, you need a bigger caliber. The old notions about bullet weight aren't all that true with today's premium bullets. Try that bullet on game before you worry about loading the 160s. I expect you will be suitably impressed enough with the penetration that you will forego loading the heavier ones.

Your current load should put you in a good place for impact velocities on that bullet at sensible ranges. These bullets need an impact velocity of at least 2200 fps (though Barnes claims 2000 fps) to open fully and reliably. Loading the 160 will probably cost you upwards of 200 fps in the 7mm-08 case. The net result mostly being you have reduced your effective hunting range.

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LWD,

I only loaded the 160's because my supplier ordered the wrong bullets. I had just received my equipment and had the 7/08 cases so I went ahead and bought the 160's so I could load my first rounds. Patience is not one of my virtues......I fully intend to use the 140's and perhaps the 120's in the 7/08 and all of my left over 160's are going to be loaded in my 7mag. The good side is that if I ever want to load the 160's in my 7/08....I now have a load that will be fairly accurate.


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Me, I'd load up a batch of 140's at OAL 2.755" with 43.5gr Varget, and go hunting. Might give that scope 2 clicks to the right and shoot a group to confirm first, but no buck is going to notice those 2 clicks!

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together? Well done!
 
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You might want to shoulder bump the cases if you are useing bushing dies and try shooting them again,see if accuracy improves.Also,try re-shooting from the fire-formed cases.You might also re-shoot the whole lot again if you are not sure of your cleaning skills.How about shooting them at 200yds and get another picture?
 
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Ditto that. If you can't kill it with the 140 grain TSX in 7mm, you don't need a longer bullet, you need a bigger caliber.


umm.. no you should just run in the other direction
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Everyone,

Thanks agin for all of the advice and comments. My next step with this rifle will be to play with the OAL and 43.5-44 grains of Varget with the 140's to see if I can fine tune it. I'm looking for a chronograph now.

Thanks,


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