Nosler Manual Loads for 8mm Mauser

Nosler #5 has the same data.

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WOW!! 2700 with the 200 grain Nosler Partition? That's one healthy load! Every bit as good as any '06!!

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I am hoping tobe able to get just a smidge over 2700 with Hornady's new 195 grn Interlok.

A .323 caliber bullet with an SD above .260 at 2700 fps...I just found my perfect do everything gun inside of 250 yds which is as far as I would shoot and geez is 115 years old.

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Speer shows their 200 grn bullet @ 2432 fs with 53 grns max IMR 4350 from a 24" bbl. Im guessing that real life velocities will fall somewhere inbetween the two depending mostly on bbl length.

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If anyone chronographs a 200 gr bullet from a 8MM Mauser, at 2700 fps please post it. I am very sceptical, as I am that you can get that out of an 06 with any barrel shorter than 28".

Anyone here chronographed an 06 with 200 gr bullet at that velocity?

Jerry

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I was able to get 2600fps with 52gr IMR 4350 and the 200gr partition.

I believe the data for the 200gr Par. is very optimistic, whereas the 180gr Bal. Tip data is conservative.

If you check the #5 manual, the 200gr Par is loaded to higher velocity than the 180gr Bal Tip [Roll Eyes]

A load of 49gr IMR 4064 gave 2800fps with the 180gr Bal Tip. No pressure signs whatsoever. [Big Grin]

I used cases formed from once fired G.I. "06" brass.

These results where in a 1942 M98K as issued barreled action.

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While Mike has everyone looking up 8mm loads, would there be anyone here who could suggest a load using IMR 4064 with a 185gr Rem CL? I have a ton of these bullets and this powder. What scant data I've found is conflicting regarding start loads. I'm guessing 43-44gr of IMR 4064 to start - but would greatly appreciate a second opinion/more educated guess.

Thanks.

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How are the Remington 185gr CL ? I would think they would be OK as they were made for the 8mmRemMag.

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How are the Remington 185gr CL ? I would think they would be OK as they were made for the 8mmRemMag.

I don't really know, I've never used anything other than 150 grainers(Hornady) but have had great luck with Rem CL bullets in general. I think that they would work fine, but I've heard that, as they were intended for the 8mm mag, they are designed to expand from around 1800fps and up. That should be fine for the 8 X 57 for your average hunting range. One big plus is the cost of the Rem bullets, but load data for 185grainers in the 8mm is scarce.

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While Mike has everyone looking up 8mm loads, would there be anyone here who could suggest a load using IMR 4064 with a 185gr Rem CL? I have a ton of these bullets and this powder. What scant data I've found is conflicting regarding start loads. I'm guessing 43-44gr of IMR 4064 to start - but would greatly appreciate a second opinion/more educated guess.

Thanks.

If you can give me the length of the bullet and the Over All Length that you plan to load the cartridge to as well as the barrel length, I will run a QuickLOAD for you. QuickLOAD does not have the length of the 8mm 185gr Rem bullet in the data base.

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Bullet length
O.A.L.
Barrel length

Also: Do you want to load to the 35,000 S.A.A.M.I spec [Roll Eyes]

(pathetic) The 56,564psi CIP (European)spec [Razz]

(better) or the good ol "06" spec of 58,700psi [Big Grin]

(now yer talkin)

If you give me the data I will run it in the morning.

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I use 48grs of IMR-4064, behind the 185gr Rem, with an OAL of 74.5mm, in a Turk Mauser.

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Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it.

BEJ,

Your load sounds like the type of load I would be looking for. Thanks.

Wildcat,

I appreciate the offer to run a QuickLOAD. I need to invest in that program. I don't have my overall, or bullet measurements at hand, but I will definitely get them to you.

Thanks again.

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Wildcat,

I would be interested in both the CIP and 06 specs.

Bullet: 1.134
O.A.L: 3.000
Barrel: 23 1/2

Thanks.

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Wildcat,

I would be interested in both the CIP and 06 specs.

Bullet: 1.134
O.A.L: 3.000
Barrel: 23 1/2

Thanks.

Per your request: QuickLOAD data for 8X57 Mauser @ CIP (European standard) and SAAMI 30-06 pressure level.

Starting load (-10% of max load @ 30-06 SAAMI pressure) 44.5gr IMR 4064--2471fps--2509ft lbs--42.903psi--96.6% propellent burn
Max load @ CIP spec (56,564psi) 48.5gr IMR 4064--2672fps--2932ft lbs--54,824psi--98.8% propellent burn
Max load @ 30-06 SAAMI spec (58,700psi) 49.5gr IMR 4064--2721fps--3042ft lbs--58297psi--99.2% propellent burn

Regardless of charge I would start to back off @ 2700-2750fps providing there are no pressure signs before then.
I was getting 2800fps with 180gr Nosler Balistic Tips and 49gr IMR 4064. I suspect I was in the 60,000psi range. Still not excessive in a sound action with good brass. [Big Grin]

Enjoy, but as always work up slowly with caution [Wink]

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Quickload thinks the 8x57JS [8mm Mauser CIP] should be loaded to 56.5 kpsi, and that 8x57 Mauser [SAAMI] is 35 kpsi

It thinks the CIP load is 50.2 gr IMR4895 and 200 gr.
I have noticed that at 50 gr the bolt starts to get sticky, and real sticky at 52 gr, so those loads are at the top of what is useful.

Quickload thinks the CIP load is 58.7 gr H4350 and 56.8 gr of IMR4350.

In "Nosler 5th" 2002, 200 gr gets 52 gr IMR4350.

Quickload thinks the Nosler load is 42.5 kpsi.

It seems that the Nosler load is closer to the SAAMI 35kpsi than the CIP 56.5 kpsi for 8x57.

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Wildcat,

I would be interested in both the CIP and 06 specs.

Bullet: 1.134
O.A.L: 3.000
Barrel: 23 1/2

Thanks.
Per your request: QuickLOAD data for 8X57 Mauser @ CIP (European standard) and SAAMI 30-06 pressure level.

Max load @ CIP spec (56,564psi) 48.5gr IMR 4064--2672fps--2932ft lbs--54,824psi--98.8% propellent burn
Max load @ 30-06 SAAMI spec (58,700psi) 49.5gr IMR 4064--2721fps--3042ft lbs--58297psi--99.2% propellent burn
Regardless of charge I would start to back off @ 2700-2750fps providing there are no pressure signs before then.
I was getting 2800fps with 180gr Nosler Balistic Tips and 49gr IMR 4064. I suspect I was in the 60,000psi range. Still not excessive in a sound action with good brass.
Enjoy, but as always work up slowly with caution

Thanks, Wildcat. I appreciate it.

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MIke,
The best all around bullet in an 8x57 is the GS Customs 160 gr. HV. It will grind a large hole through and elk or deer from any angle including lengthwise and shoot flat as a .270...It is a killing machine, Id shoot a Lion with it without a second thought and kill it too....It is one of the deadliest combos I have tried.

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Two things here: I can't put 52.0 grs in any of the 8x57 cases that I have, it just won't fit!
Second, Ray, what are you pushing the 160's with? I have loaded a lot of 8x57 over the years - some 60 plus whitetails and several hogs, one black bear with these handloads, most of them with 50.0grs of IMR 4350 and various bullets, 170 or 175 gr.
I son't shoot the 8x57 much anymore but load for several family members that do. As someone stated above, the 8x57 CAN be loaded to equal the 30-06. The german military load in WWII Was a little better, in fact, if you can believe W.H.B. Smith and his work.
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Has anyone used the 180GR. Nosler Ballistic Tip in the 8x57?
I would like to try it this year. Any load suggestions using IMR 4350?

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Nothing for Imr 4350, but VV150 with the 180's Works very well. Along the approx. burn. group. Shoot good and strait.

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Has anyone used the 180GR. Nosler Ballistic Tip in the 8x57?
I would like to try it this year. Any load suggestions using IMR 4350?

4350 is much too slow for the 8mm 180gr Balistic Tip.

In relation to the bore area (phi X rad sqaured) the 8mm is about 20% bigger than the 308, hence a suitable powder for a 308 bore load, say for a 150gr bullet,(150gr x 1.20 = 180gr.)would be suitable for a 180gr bullet.

This holds true when comparing 30-06 loads to 8mm-06.

Something in the 4064/4320/Varget range would be better for the 180gr Bal. Tip in 8X57

I use a load of 49gr IMR 4064 for 2800fps with the Nosler 180 Bal Tip from an as issued M-98K barreled action.

Start @ about 45grs and work up.

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Trapper,

The only powder I use in the 8x57 and the 7x57 is H414..Thats the highest velocity your going to get...Most loading books are weak on its (414) use as there as so many weak actions out there, and short throated guns..

My guns have always been long throated, long magazine rifles and I loaded them based on that which is considerably more powder than listed in the manuals...

In a since my guns are improved without blowing the shoulder out and let you seat the bullets way out there and basically give you considerably more powder space, or a 8mm-06 or a 280 Rem because of powder space. Some argue this concept, so be it...It works in the two calibers mentioned and the .257 Roberts and 250 Savage accroding to my chronograph and case life.

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