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 Does anyone have a lot of experience with H110 powder? For example;I noticed that when using it in a revolver it is hard to keep lit with any reduced loads. The bullets can stick in the barrel and of course you get a large discharge of burning gas from between the cylinder and barrel. ANYBODY????  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | ||
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H110 and Win 296 are designed to be used with heavy loads. They perform poorly when charges are reduced. They also need heavy crimps and seem to work better with mag primers. | |||
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H110 and its brother, WW296, are not suitable for reduced loads. WW even recommends against it. Best bets: hot cartridges, maximum loads, magnum primers, death-grip crimps. I like the stuff in the .454 Casull and very hot .45 Colt loads. Geo. | |||
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hodgdon says not to download more than 5%. they probably know what they are talking about. WW says no more than 10%. the concern is detonation, so you really should stop right now. what are you loading for? any published revolver load using 110 can be safely replaced by reduced loads of Blue Dot, 2400, and others, m/b even the new Trail Boss. | |||
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Not to be picky, but Hodgdon now says "Do not reduce H110 data more the 3%". Matter of fact, they say it a couple of times. | |||
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Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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 I'm always experimenting. I was using the 110 in my .375 X 41(rifle)and getting great results. I tried it in my 9x41 rifle and also was impressed. I tried it on a 38 special Ruger #3 rifle (wife's) and was really pleasantly surprised. When I used the same ammo in a Smith wheel we got bullets stuck in the barrel. It was as if the bullet left the cylinder traveled perhaps 3/4" and stopped and the residue from the case poured out between the cylinder and the barrel. More testing on the Ruger #3 loading up and down would lead you to believe that there was no problem. It would lead one to believe that as long as the pressure is kept high enough you get adequate burning. In the revolver if insuficiant powder is used ,not allowing the pressure to become adequate than when the bullet leaves the cylinder it is flame out time. Any thoughts or experience on this? rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Hey Roger, First off I agree with the others about not downloading H110 or WW-296. As your bullet transitioned the cylinder gap in the Smith, the Pressure just dropped and I agree with "your inductive reasoning" that you had a Flame Out. Fortunately it did not re-ignite or you could have had a Tale to tell us about Nurses and how they tape fingers back on. I understand your desire to Download and have no argument with doing it, except for those two Powders in these calibers. Even in the rifles, I would venture a guess the "Residue" will be heavy. You should be able to accomplish a fairly full range of Downloads by switching to good old "2400". It is a Flake Powder similar to blue Dot and will do just what you want. Of course once you get low enough, a switch to the Blue Dot might work even better. Fortunately you know an excellent Recipe for removing this Residue. In this situation, the "inductive reasoning" is misleading and creats the potential for an Un-Safe condition. No doubt it maintained "enough" Pressure to keep that old Ball Powder burning, but at a marginal level. Consider yourself Lucky and just use a slightly different Powder so you don't loose the ability to "type". | |||
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 rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Not to be too much of a HardA**,But I think there is a WARNING   on the cannister label against using reduced charges,so I suggest you learn to read the warning labels before you kill yourself .And believe me you have already come close to killing yourself by using H110 in reduced loads in rifle cartridges.Sean | |||
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The one problem with a thread like this it always brings out the fears ofMorros con machetes A lot of it is ,I know, well intentioned, and is accepted as such. Sadly, it has vague substantiation with facts, and that's what I'm after. Does anyone in this brotherhood have any real experience or authentic documentation. One of the purposes of any experimentation is to gain usefull information and eleminate the gray NO NO areas. Now if you think I've come close to killing myself just look at the spectacular work that Clark Magnuson is doing. I may be barking up a berrey bush but I seriously doubt that 10 gr. of 110 in a 38 special case in a strong rifle has enough energy content to create severe damage or bodily harm.The prof is in the pudding as this event has been repeated hundreds of times in the last twenty years or so. Do I believe the disclaimer on the canister? YES I believe there may exist a problem but the specific reason they put the disclaimer there has not been identified. I do believe that sane use of 110 in a rifle based on knowledge and understanding is safe. I also believe if you are prudent and do not have a searching mind, that using abstanance of 110 in a rifle or identifying some sort of reduced load in whatever as a danger than you are wise to follow that path. Personally I prefere to know the limits of something I use that potentially could pose a problem. I am of such a nature as to pursue those limits inteligently, I hope. So that's where we are. The first step is to ask those who have already been there.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Moros con machetes? Not always a bad thing....  As to your original post, let me correctly respond. I have many pounds' experience with 296, but all in full power loads in .44 mag and 445 SuperMag, cause the instructions say not to underload too far. I do not have any hands-on experience with reduced loads for 110. | |||
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I used H110 exclusively in my 44mag with 240 and 300 grains Hornady XTP bullets. Max load was always best. From memory, seems like the 300 took 19 grains of powder...exceptional accuracy from 7.5" barrel. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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You made my day delloro  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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This is my first post here so don't thrash me.  I only have experience with H110 in .44 mag in a Ruger carbine. I load my particular gun max 25 gr H110 with a 240 JSP and minimum 24 grains H110 with a 240 JSP.I crimp just short of bending the press handle.It likes them hot and heavy.  I'm scared to load it down. | |||
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