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Anyone ever use this product? I found it among the brass offered by Huntington Reloading Supplies. It is very inexpensive (suspiciously so) when compared to other brands in the same caliber. ????? 114-R10David | ||
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It is very excellent brass, made by Jamison, Prvi Partisan, Hornady, and possibly others, depending on"caliber"; all for wholesale/retail by Bob Graf & Sons. I have used bundles of it, still use it, and like it very much...especially since, as you say, it is generally less expensive AND often much easier to get than some of the others... My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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I've used it in 308 and haven't had good luck with it. Also some of it was reject brass and Graff sold it at a discount. The holes in the primer pockets were off center. Graff even posted this in their flyers and put an asterik by the calibers that had the problems and sold it even cheaper. In my 308 some of the brass wouldn't even chamber unless I fl sized it. And then I found it is extremely thick and heavy compared to other brass. The same loads with Graff brass chrono about 75 fps faster than win brass so I had to back loads down about 2 grains to compensate. When all was done and said in my experience it wasn't worth the $4-5 I saved per hundred....if my time was worth $10 this brass cost me more to use. | |||
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I've used Graf brass in 7.5x55, 7.7x58, 8x57 and 9.3x62 - Graf cases in all these calibers have performed well! ________ Ray | |||
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Kraky- I am a little confused here...do you mean to say that you had trouble with just the reject brass, or with ALL Graf brass? f it was only the reject brass, I am neither suprised not concerned. That, of course, is why it was labelled as "reject". If you had trouble with their other brass, What sort of trouble? Their brass which is sold as first quality brass is exactly that. They do not make ANY brass of their own. They contract with Hornady, Prvi Partisan, Jamieson and others to make their brass. All of those makers are excellent operations and the stuff they make for Graf's has to meet both Graf's standards AND their own. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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The brass I bought was supposed to be first quality but I was disappointed. Like I said if you follow their flyers they were actually selling brass that was marked with an asterick that had bad flash holes. This was not the case with the stuff I bought. I think the brass I got is made by Privi as it has a look around the case neck like it was annealed at the factory. I don't expect to have to fl size brand new brass before loading. Some of this brass wouldn't even chamber in my browning BLR and it is NOT a tight chambered rifle. And when chrono'ing I noticed I was getting noticable more velocity than winchester brass with the same loads. The brass probably is built like a "brick shithouse" but when I found I had to resize all of it and then redo my current loads that seem consistant between win, rem, and fed brass I didn't find it worth the savings. Just my opinion based on what I got. I do have some graff brass sitting here for my 7.5 swiss and it appears to have the same look as that 308 brass. I'll have to watch it closely as I work with it. Maybe that brass will make me feel better but I won't "seek out Graffs brass" anymore. | |||
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That is interesting and useful info...I'll forward it to Bob Graf. I cannot speak for Bob as to why it occurred, or whether it has been the subject of other complaints. If it has, I have not heard them. All the comments I have heard previously regards Prvi Partisan brass have been very positive, and I know my own experience has been very, very positive. I have been using it for over 15 years.even well before BoB Graf became involved with selling it at all. Of course, preferences and procedures of handloaders differ too. For myself, I work up loads for every lot of brass, even in the same brand, and certainly for different brands. I often the end up the same loads as my old brass uses, but sometimes not...and frequently not, when using a different brand, even if all standard American makes. That being the case (bad pun there), any differences have not bothered me. I have not had to full-length size any new brass of ANY brand, including RWS, Norma, Sako, the Austrian stuff (forgot its name for the moment), Musgrave, Kynoch, or the North American products, so luckily have not encountered that. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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I had some of their 7x57 it wouldn't fit in my shell holders. They offered to sell me a new different number holder or take the brass back. I sent it back. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Graf's 9,3x62 brass works fine in two rifles of that caliber and an RCBS die set. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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My experience with Prvi Partizan brass is limited to that recovered from factory-loaded 7.65 Argentine 174grn FMJ and 180grn SPBT. Case weight varied - 174 grn FMJ about 166grn w/spent primer 180 grn SPBT about 177grn w/spent primer The brass ran through the tools nicely, but the extractor groove is oddly narrow (the 1891's extractor leaves a mark on the front of the groove, and I'm sure it wouldn't enter some shellholders) although it fit easily into a .220 Swift shellholder. Neck wall variation was similar to American bulk brass. I've reloaded some of it twice with no case loss,but remember that the 7.65 is only loaded to 46,000CUP (especially for the ancient 1891 in which I was using it.) The 174 grn FMJ was not accurate in the test rifle (4"/100yd.) but the 180grn SPBT at 2425fps (24" bbl) will stay inside 2" all day. With an ample supply of factory ammo on hand for this hunting rifle load development has ceased. Good quality, very usable brass but be wary of switching warm loads into it without clear knowledge of the internal volume. Be sure to sort mixed lots by weight. START LOW, WORK UP.... | |||
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