Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback on my 7mm questions. One more question for you. I know I will have to try both weights in my barrell to see which it likes better, but would like some further feedback. Of the 160 Partition or 175 Partition which would be expected to be the more accurate slug in a barrel with 1/9.5 twist?

Thanks

Von

My experience has been that it is going to depend more on your rifle. I have worked with 7mm's that liked one the other or both. Not that much difference in length of those two bullets to be a true determining factor I don't think. Velocity range you are working in will have some effect, that is 7x57 or 7-.308 as opposed to 7 STW or another of the "Big" 7's.

With .280 Rem, 7 RemMag and 7 Wetherby I have always been able to get a load working with either bullet.

HAWK bullets another you might want to look at. http://www.hawkbullets.com

KDK

On Hawk bullets. Do a search of www.24hourcampfire.com of a topic "bullets that destroy rifles" this information also appeared in www.huntamerica.com

I personally could never get a 175gr. bullet to shoot worth a darn in my 7mag.

The only bullet that will is the 160gr. partition. This bullet will consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 100yds. Although I did have a trigger job to 2 pounds done and put a synthetic stock. Also a Kleingunther brake installed. Now it kicks like a 222 and I am able to watch the deer drop through the scope.

Good luck with which ever one turns out to perform the best,

HBL

My 1:9.5 will group a 150gr nosler BT in 1/2moa all day long.

I have an old Remington 700 (fleur de lys checkering) that prefers the Sierra 168gr. HP pushed along by 63gr. of IMR4831. She shoots 5 shots around .50" (not every group). It give me 2850fps which is fast enough for me. Lately I've been using VihtaVouri 560 powder which also does very well. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

HBL,
Where does one find information on a Kleingunther muzzle break?
Web page?

I had mine put on in 1984. I don't think Kleingunther is around anymore but KDF uses the same brake and is also located in Seguin, Texas. I will try finding some information and post it on here.

Side note: I have shot other rifles with other makes of brakes and none reduce the felt recoil as much as the Kleingunther or KDF. Matter of fact, When these two gentlemen ran the same company back in the 70's they designed these brakes for use in US planes equipped with 20mm guns that were designed to take out supply trucks. They were successful and then applied the same technology to rifles. This is what I was told by a man I shot with that new old man K very well.

I'll get back to you on this.

HBL

This is the only listing I could find at the moment. If I find something else I will post it.

I believe they still custom make the original Kleingunther line of rifles, and again without calling, I may be wrong.

Hope this helps.

HBL

KDF Guns Inc
Sequin TX
(800) 533-4867

Savage99,
Not sure what or why you seem to have something against HAWK bullets. I have used a bunch of them with no problems. My Oehler M-43 has never recorded any erratic pressures with them either. It is easy to blame a particular component when it has been substituted into a load without re-working the load. ANY component substitution constitutes a COMPLETELY new load requiring starting at an established safe point and working back up. Even a change in "lot #" of a component implies need for load retesting. Also watching for traditional "Pressure signs" such as flattened primers, sticky bolt lift, extractor marks on case heads is akin to whistling in the grave yard. Depending on many factors these signs will quite possibly appear long after the safe point has been passed. At the very least, a good chronograph used along with a micrometer which reads in .ooo1" for case head measurement using factory loads fired in the same rifle on the same day for comparison. Even this method is only somewhat reliable and only with new brass that has been fired a minimum number of times since brass does work harden ( and air harden over time for that matter). This change in brass hardness will effect pressure measurements taken with a micrometer. This same variation in brass hardness is what negates watching primers for flattening cratering etc. I have observed these "signs" with published "starting" loads. Different lot of primers and no "sign" until the M-43 records that the edge of the envelope is near. Having a rifle come apart is a terrible thing but I will not condemn any manufacturer based on a couple of incidents with so many questions surrounding the incident(s) left unanswered and quite possibly unanswerable.

KDK

chuckbuster,

Thanks for the reloading lesson

Did you find the links?

Did you read the links?

Do you see the big hole in the base of the jacket in a Hawk bullet? This is a clue.

I was familiar with the links had followed them in the past chose not to respond to them at that time. I also still believe this is a couple of isolated incidents that can not be reliably traced to having been caused by the bullet alone. Not sure what clue you believe the "hole" in the base of the HAWK bullets provides but you are welcome to your beliefs.

Chuckbuster, After reading your lengthy diatribe on the need for caution and exactness in reloading, you then pass off the dismantlement of a rifle with a dismissive, "can not be reliably traced to having been caused by the bullet ALONE." The question begs to be asked, why take the chance?

In MY 7mm REM. both are very accurate, 1" @ 200 yards....

There is no way of knowing that the bullet was the cause. I did not dismiss anything. The last sentence of my earlier post;

"Having a rifle come apart is a terrible thing but I will not condemn any manufacturer based on a couple of incidents with so many questions surrounding the incident(s) left unanswered and quite possibly unanswerable."

says it much better I think. Without absolute proof to the cause a specific item should not be singled out. Much more damage than good can be the only result of such actions.

KDK