Well was glad I had (?) finaly found a load that shot good in the "Nightmare Ruger from hades" I shot a .986 group at 133 yards Tuesday with a 100 grain Hornday Spire point and 48.0 grains H414. So loaded up some more and shot 2" group this morning. Then shot some more that were 2-2.5". Same crap it has done since it came from the deep caves of Hades! I had cleaned it very well before shooting. It seems to take 10 shots for it to do anything better than 2-2.5. I decided to move up to 50 yards and shoot there a while. shot a 2" then some .250 .500 and .625 with different loads with both 100 and 120 grain bullets. Well what to do? Clean it, not clean it, throw it away, keep it for a rust free lamp stand, send it to Ruger or try to load up some of the best loads(for today anyway) and shoot 50 yards then move to 100. For example 47.5 grain H4350, Remington case, Fedral 210 primer, 100 grain Hornday shot .250 today at 50 yards. 45.5 H4350 with 120 grain Pro hunter, Federal primer, Remington case shot the same at 50 yards.
So gues I will not clean it, have a few first shots for fun then shoot 50 yards and then move to 100 with the same! Any ideahs out there?

Put the sucker in a box and send it to me...

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keep it for a rust free lamp stand

Great on Deer lousy on paper.

My friend has a Ruger in 300 Win Mag that shoots Great on Deer lousy on paper. We never could figure out why it would shoot good some times and terrable others. All of the loads were coustom made to his rifle and work very well in my Remington. He has killed more deer with that rifle than any one of my friends have. I have never seen him miss a Deer while shooting his Ruger if it was within 300yards. He bought a Rem 300 Win Mag to replace it this Summer if it shoots as well as my Rem 300 Win Mag he will be a happy camper.

Well Swede if your little line on your post is calling me a jerk you can kiss mine where the sun don't shine.

Hey Steve you say send it to you. What do you think is wrong with this thing?

Blob1,
I had it's brother in a 7mmRemMag. I had a horrble love hate relationship with it for many years. I got it to shoot an 1 1/2 5 round group at 200 on one day. Came back home loaded up same load with EVERYTHING being what was set up for. Went over hunting and went to ensure zero and just about lost the will to live. That POJ (piece of junk) would not even get close to a 3" group.
After doing some research and talking to HART barels, which is where that rifle is at, found out that Ruger did not do thier own barel but outsourced for them. One company did OK the other didn't even get close. I put a lot into mine with a trigger a pillar bed a decelerator pad a full bedding and a lot of love. Finally had to cut the ambilical cord!!! Like I said it is at HART for a complete make-over into a 300WM. I still love the 7 as I got a No.1 in it for Christmas. I couldn't take the Brother of the Son of Hades love hate relationship any more and after as much as I have put in to everything else I had to go after the Barel.

I am not sure that is your deal but please consider it.

Smedley

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Originally posted by Blob1:
Well Swede if your little line on your post is calling me a jerk you can kiss mine where the sun don't shine.

I believe that's just his standard signature line. Most forum software I've seen puts some dashes (---) above the poster's sig line to differentiate it. This new forum software here doesn't. Sometimes it's hard to tell when a sig line is just a sig line or part of the post.

-Bob F.

the inside screw under the mag plate is NOT torqued more than only very very slightly is it? That one can put a bridge pressure on the action if tightened much at all. At least that is what I have seen often in other discussions.

My offer still stands to buy it at the price we agreeded on..................JJ

I had a 22-250 do the same. The barrel wasent "free floating" it had at least 15-20 pressurepoints along the forestock. Sanded them dovn and freefloated the barrel. Made it a bit fuzzy with it liked but shrunk the groups a lot!




Both groups are shot at 220yds, the top one is before free floating and the second is after.

Just quit cleaning the darn thing !!!! I've got about 100 rounds through my rifle that I'm leaving with for Wyoming on Sunday. The only cleaning I,ve done is drag a Boresnake through it after every 20 rounds or so. The gun shoots .25 MOA and last week I nailed down a 200 yard group that was less than .5 MOA. Do you think I would risk ruining that kind of accuracy before a hunt by cleaning it ????

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Originally posted by Blob1:
Hey Steve you say send it to you. What do you think is wrong with this thing?

Don't know without actually seeing it...we had this discussion before...

And my offer still stands to take it off your hands...want my mailing address?

Hey Bob, I was hoping the problem was resolved for you, but it sure sounds like you still have it.

Eventually whipping problems like this can bring a person a lot of satisfaction. But even then the seed-of-doubt has been planted and it will take a lot of shooting to regain confidence in a rifle you have to fight.

So, if you enjoy whipping the problem, stick with it and don't let it get you down. Or if it is grinding on you, remember that you can always Swap it or Sell it.
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BTW, one rifle I had fought me for 3 years, but I eventually figured it out. Wasn't the rifle at all but plain old Parallax due to a new scope I'd bought "just for it".

It FINALLY dawned on me what it was when a guy just happened to ask me about Parallax at the Range. We walked back to my rifle and as I approached it, I realized I'd never changed the "Adjustable Objective Setting" on it any time during those three years. That is something I even do afield when Hunting, so it made the issue even BIGGER for me since I'd just not even thought about it. PITIFUL!!!

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Originally posted by Swede44mag:

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keep it for a rust free lamp stand

Great on Deer lousy on paper.

My friend has a Ruger in 300 Win Mag that shoots Great on Deer lousy on paper. We never could figure out why it would shoot good some times and terrable others. All of the loads were coustom made to his rifle and work very well in my Remington. He has killed more deer with that rifle than any one of my friends have. I have never seen him miss a Deer while shooting his Ruger if it was within 300yards. He bought a Rem 300 Win Mag to replace it this Summer if it shoots as well as my Rem 300 Win Mag he will be a happy camper.

The acceptance standard for the SMLE was 3 MOA, and they were considered quite accurate for a combat rifle. Most WWII M1's were not even that good! It DOES NOT TAKE 0.5 MOA to kill deer out to the max. range any of us has any business taking a shot at a game animal!

oh,..and if it continues and ya were wantin to put her back on the chopping block,..I still got the rem788

For years I wanted MOA big game rifle's. If they didnt shoot MOA or less I sold em. As life speeded up and I had less range time I quit working up a load if a rifle could shoot 1.5 MOA. Sometimes I got lucky and found a rifle that would shoot less but not often. I can't think of one circumstance in the last 30 years where I shot a big game animal that I needed one that would group better than 1.5 MOA. Relax and enjoy your rifle and practice with it. When you shoot at game it is more you than your equipment. Happy hunting.

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Originally posted by Blob1:
Well Swede if your little line on your post is calling me a jerk you can kiss mine where the sun don't shine.

Blob1 my signature line was not directed at you in any way.

It refers to a friend of mine that always jerked the trigger on his guns affecting his accuracy, this is why I came up with the line in the first place.

It ain't the Gun it's the (guy Jerking the trigger) Jerk behind the trigger.

It is my original and I have never herd any one else use it.

I did edit my profile I hope it clarifies that it is not directed at any one.

"El Deguello"
I agree with you and I tried to convince my friend that he did not need to buy a Remington that his Ruger was plenty accurate enough to kill all of the deer that he might ever shoot. I also told him that I did not buy my Remington to shoot targets but to shoot Deer. It just happens that my Remington shoots consistently tighter groups than his Ruger and that is why he just thought he had to have one. We do a lot of load development when we get a new rifle and try to squeeze out all of the accuracy we can get. I was told years ago by a gunsmith that I respect a lot that factory guns are only expected to be able to shoot 1 MOA at 100 yards. This I have interpreted to be 1 ½ “, but I have recently found out that 1 MOA is not 1 ½ “ but slightly larger.

hey Swede I am sorry man! I just am fed up with this thing so sorry again!

Just C
The custom rifle maker said he usually torques all the screws 52 inch pounds. I did tighten down a bit more on all of them so may be too tight. Will check it out. I was going to shoot again today but the wind was up a good bit and I wouldn't know to blame the wind or the rifle.
I guess what is the most disturbing thing about it is that I can shoot a .250-.500 one day and the very next day, same range, same temp, same load, same cases, powder from the same jar, same primers, same bullets and same distance it shoots a 2" or 2.5 group. If it would shoot 1.500 all day fine but man you name the group it has shot it. I got some other rifles out and shot them and had no problem. Even my old 7.7 Jap shoots a constant 2.000 group. I had it checked out by experts, weighed the bullets to shoot the same weight, weighed the cases, shot resting against the rifling, shot a few thousands back from them with no differance. I do notice that with this toy plastic stock it has a lot of recoil, at least more than most people says their .260 has. Well will make a decison this week as what to do with it. Someone else might have it shooting .250 right of the bat-don't know. I like the feel of the rifle but man this has been a struggle. Thanks for all the help.

JJ I sent you an e mail concerning the rifle!

Blob1, My 700 S/S 708 had a tupperware stock on at one time, have since equipped it with an H.S. Precision stock, swapped the Redfield 2-7 Low pro for a Leupold 3.5-10 and learned how to properly adjust a Remington trigger, along with switching to Varget and RE15 powders. At any rate, when it was equipped with the factory stock, it was not a very accurate rifle, around 2"-2.5" groups for the most part, once in awhile I'd get a nice 3 shot cloverleaf, then all over the place for the next 2 shots.

Now, don't think it was the scope, never had any problems with it before. the 760 powder I first used can't be that bad for accuracy, used the same powder for a 6mmRem getting very good groups with it, rule that out.

Now the stock, not the most stable synthetic stock out there, heard that alot after I bought the thing, hard to bed it, etc.

So when I got the chance to buy an H. S. stock for 200, I broke loose the piggy bank. The rifle now shoots under 1/2moa @100yds. and just over 1/2moa at 300yds. Not all day long, just a few groups that I tried, but it's a shooter, now.
So, I'm just wondering what a new H.S. stock might do for your rifle, assuming you've checked everything including the scope. BTW, did you try another scope? Take the barreled action out of the stock and check for burrs and whatnot? Have your "smith" run a borescope down the barrel. Just thinking of everything, hope it helps. Jay