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is brass and ammo available What existing shell casing lends itself to forming brass I had one50 years ago and ammo was available but times have changed Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | ||
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https://www.grafs.com/retail/c...egory/categoryId/702 you can make the brass but the parent case is rarer than the new made brass! Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club NRA Endowment Member President NM MILSURPS | |||
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It's a great cartridge and easy to load. New brass is still available (get a bunch while you can). It's not really very easy to make from anything else as the base diameter is typically around .446" to .450", considerably smaller than the Mauser and 30-06 family .470". Back in the '70s and early '80s when brass was less plentiful I struggled through converting 220 Swift brass to 6,5x54MS, but thank goodness that's no longer necessary - or even possible since Swift brass is now rare as well. | |||
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INteresting and neat caliber and btw I have tons of new 220 swift WW brass..Interested in the process steps? for future reference,,, Good to know brass is available and hope dies are to be had...these projects always cost more than their value but fun and games always cost.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Buffalo Arms currently has RCBS 6,5x54MS dies in stock, link: https://www.buffaloarms.com/6-...oenaur-rcb27701.html In my experiences with several 6,5x54MS rifles, new factory brass from Norma and Hirtenberger showed signs of excess headspace in all those rifles. Not hard to address before you fire them the first time, just expand the necks to 7mm or .30 and size them back down to 6,5 in slow steps until you get a crush fit in that particular rifle's chamber. Just an FYI. I have not had experience with PPU brass in 6,5x54MS to know if it is undersized as well. I like PPU brass, though, and recommend it highly. Forming 6,5x54MS from Swift was a major ordeal. I'll see if I can find my notes and post them here, but I don't recommend the process. | |||
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Ross Seyfried wrote an appreciation of the cartridge in a back issue of Rifle, I believe. This one always escaped me ... There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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I have a couple of 6.5x54 rifles and a carbine. Great round. Loaded ammo is available from SG Ammo out of Stillwater Oklahoma. Reasonable prices and fast shipping. The ammo is PPU. | |||
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The 6.5x54 is a quirky little round but my 1927 Breda MS seems to have setback, so I might not use it any more. I wonder if that might be a common thing, too, as some (supposedly) once-fired brass I bought have inside grooves near the web. If anyone in Australia knows where I might find a good 1903 (Greek) receiver or barrelled action, I would be interested to know. | |||
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Karamojo Bell relied on the 160 grain FMJ loads in this excellent caliber to reach the brains and kill very many elephants. I have one and would love to use it with FMJs on elephant, but legalities do not permit that nowadays, at least under most circumstances. Proper backup would be essential, of course. Just like bow hunting.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I can live with that..I'll buy new brass and resize it to fit the rifles chamber to get proper headspace, that should work correct?? Id like one of those Redfield or Marble receiver sights, any idea where Id find one? Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I shot two black bears last year with my 6.5x54R steyr/mann It's an Army&Navy sporter. 34 grns of IMR 4320 goes over 2500 fps with a Horn 160 grn. This is with it's 29" barrel. If the light is good, I can shoot 1 1/4" groups with it. I just finished Inside Safari Hunting, with Eric Rundgren. Rundgren was a game officer in Kenya in the late 30's and 40's. He shot over 3,000 Buff on control work. Mostly in the bamboo forests. He shot most with a Carcano and military ammo, all cheap being picked up in Somalia. He said it killed well enough, but was prone to jamming and misfires. Then you had to dodge around the bamboo with a mad buff after you, trying to clear the rifle! | |||
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Ray, If 6.5 x 54 brass is unavailable, rather than going thru all of the steps to reform 220 SWift brass, pick up 6.5 x 52 Carcano brass and just run it thru the MS die. One stroke and you are ready to reload. The necks will, of course, be a little short but after multiple firings, the brass will stretch to proper length. I don't like trimming brass anyway. Throat erosion is negligible unless the rifle becomes your daily shooter. Geoff Shooter | |||
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Well contrary to common belief bullets, brass, loaded ammo, everything one could want is available in a number of places..I purchased 200 PPU cases, 200 160 gr.Hornady bullets, dies and shell holder all from Grafs!!!the also had Norma brass, more than I can say for even 270 componets, its a strange world we live in! shooting this little 1903 carbine is a kick, and bound to challange a Idaho white tail soon.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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SambarmAN, HERE EXIST A CARTRIDGE THAT WILL WORK THRU A MS 1903 ACTION I RECALL IT MENTIONED ON AR, BUT CANNOT RECALL THE CALIBER, AND I MAIGHT NEED THAT INFO ONE OF THESE DAYS ANY HELP ON THIS CALIBER WOULD BE APPRECIATED.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I've looked at various options for my rifle over the years, Ray, but can't think of the calibre you're thinking about. The 6mm Lee appears to have a similar rim diameter but the case is longer. The 35 Remington is not much fatter but the bullet would not fit the magazine groove. I seem to recall there might be some 7mm with a similar case, though. At one stage I wondered if I could convert mine to 6.5×55 for ease of getting ammo but getting the rotary mag to work would be a bridge too far, even there. (Even getting the original cartridges to feed can be a problem if bullets are seated short.) | |||
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I have arrived at the same conclusion, but maybe the 250-3000 or the creedmoor! Im betting Dennis Olson can make one feed, He did a 99F 308 into a 284 for me and made it feed slicker n snot, but he is real backlogged. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I shot my two Roe deer bucks back in old West Germany with a 6.5x54 fully stocked 1910 MS. Was using reloads with 129gr Hornady Spire Point bullets in front of 39.0grs Norma 202 powder and RWS cases. The MV was 2663fps when chronographed back here in NZ. The little MS fed these rounds perfectly from it's rotary mag. One buck shot from a hochsitz at about 40m and the other across a large bush clearing at about 80m. Both dropped DRT from lung shots. | |||
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I got 200 Norma brass 15 years ago or more. I presume Norma still make it. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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