Found a Rem.700 mountain rifle in 7x57mm at the pawn shop and had to have it. I intend to use it for deer and elk. Need some bullet and load recommendations. I did a search and Ray Atkinson said H414 is the way to go but didn't say with what pills. The rifle is on the light side, I believe 6&3/4 lbs. w/o scope.

something between a 154-162 grain bullet and RL-19, H-4350, H-414, H-4831 or maybe the best IMR-4831 powder.

Even with the heavier bullet you might reach 2,700 FPS working up carefully but 2,600 is more realistic.

The M-700 is a great action for working up a load!

the hornady 139 interlock and up to 52 grs of rl-19.
51.3 and the interlock in roberts +p brass,gives 2750 from a 22" bbl.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
the hornady 139 interlock and up to 52 grs of rl-19.
51.3 and the interlock in roberts +p brass,gives 2750 from a 22" bbl.

Lamar, I am ignorant to the Rob.+P brass. What is it?

My wife's MKX loves 49grs RL19 and 140 accubonds. She uses it for everything up to and including Elk and Oryx. I tried 414 in it and never got a consistant group.

If you want to be somewhat traditional, work you up a good load using a 160gr bullet and use it on everything. You'll be a mite heavier than you need on deer but just about right for elk. The 7x57 velocity window lends itself well to standard cup and core bullets or Nosler Partitions.
H414 is a good powder.

Over tha last 30 years I've found that the Hornady 154-gr spire point shoots about as accurately as almost anything else in most military 7x57s with minimal load development. Not saying that it'll always give the best accuracy, just saying that I've found that if a rifle wouldn't shoot that bullet then it usually wouldn't shoot anything else either.

I personally prefer Nosler Partitions.
Regards, Joe

My little Ruger #1 loves the 160 Accubond w/ 47g of Imr 4350. I've intentionally shot both deer and hogs w/ their bodies positioned to be able to recover the bullet. The recovered Accubonds look REMARKABLY like the ones I recovered in test medium. Enjoy your new toy!

Back in 1969, I used this load to slay moose with my ZKK 600...

Case: reformed G.I. '06 brass (RA '52)

Primer: CCI 250

Bullet: 139 gr. Hornady spire point, seated to the base of the case neck OAL= 3.00"

Powder: 41.5 grs. IMR 4064

That was not a hot load at all in my rifle, though it was "full power" in hunting terms.

I used it for many years thereafter, including deer, more moose, etc.

Over time as components locally available in the north varied, I also used RWS LR primers, and/or 40 grs. of Hi-Vel #2, or 51.0 grs. H-4831.

All worked as great killers with that relatively light cup 'n core bullet. Not being driven hard enough to blow up, they penetrated clear through even moose yet expanded well too.

That's one of the reasons I've always liked the 7x57....

the +p brass is made by winchester and is easier to find than 7x57 brass.
the down side to it is when necking it up i like to do it in 2 steps with a 270 win expander first. and sometimes it gives brass with variances in wall diameter up to 3 thou.

In a newer Ruger No.1-A 7x57, I've found the Hrdy 154 SP groups consistently well, loaded over IMR4350. No idea how it would perform on game, but I like it a lot on paper. 1/2" - 5/8" at 100.

The Nosler 140BT seems to do well w/ H414.

No joy, w/ the Hrdy 139 BTSP.

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Originally posted by Rae59:
Found a Rem.700 mountain rifle in 7x57mm at the pawn shop and had to have it. I intend to use it for deer and elk. Need some bullet and load recommendations. I did a search and Ray Atkinson said H414 is the way to go but didn't say with what pills. The rifle is on the light side, I believe 6&3/4 lbs. w/o scope.

I'm a 7x57 guy who also uses H-414 for powder. Bullets I use, as well as my sons, are Nosler 140 grain Partitions. Depending on the rifle, powder charges from 46.0 to 48.0 deliver best accuracy. Currently, I'm loading 47.0 grains for my new 7x57, and the accuracy is excellent with 3 shots into 1/2" groups at 100 yards.
I've been using these loads for the last 20 years with good success.
Primers are Federal 210's.

Don

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Originally posted by DMB:

I'm a 7x57 guy who also uses H-414 for powder. Bullets I use, as well as my sons, are Nosler 140 grain Partitions. Depending on the rifle, powder charges from 46.0 to 48.0 deliver best accuracy. Currently, I'm loading 47.0 grains for my new 7x57, and the accuracy is excellent with 3 shots into 1/2" groups at 100 yards.
I've been using these loads for the last 20 years with good success.
Primers are Federal 210's.

Don

Mind if inquire what rifle (your new one) you are currently loading for?

Also wondering about your choice of the Partition, over Nosler's other offerings. NOT taking issue with it (can't argue w/ success), just wondering.

Do you have any idea what velocity you are getting w/ the 140P, & 47.0 of H414?

I have never loaded Partitions - or Accubonds, but often wondered if either would offer an advantage over the Nosler Ballistic Tip - or Hrdy SP, w/ my No.1-A.

Funny thing is, when I was first tooling up to load 7x57, I made a number of on line inquiries regarding H414 & 140 grain bullets. This was primarily due to Nosler listing it as the most accurate, for their 140 grain bullets in 7x57.

Interestingly, "most" responders reported that they had never used the powder in that application. Go figure...

Thanks in advance!

I have a sweet little 7x57 on a Mexican Mauser action Duane Wiebe built for me ten years ago. It loves H-4350 (50.5 to 51 gr) with either 140 Nosler Partitions or 139 Hornady Spire Points (flat base), with velocity about 2850 fps. Five-shot groups at 100 yds are consistently less than one inch with a 4x scope. This is the load I use for deer and pronghorn. At these velocities the Hornadys hold together very well, so there's not much to gain with the Partitions unless you have a chance at a big mule deer.

If elk is on the menu, the 160 Nosler Partition is the way to go. Over 51 gr Reloder 22, it gets 2675 fps from my 22" Krieger, 1:10 bbl.; accuracy is even better than with the lighter bullets. I used this load on a Zim hunt in 2001. From 125 yds it broke BOTH shoulders of a large kudu--the PH was stunned at the performance. A few days later the same load dropped a nice bushbuck in its tracks at 210 yds. I believe this is the best do-all load if you don't want to complicate things, and if you, like me, don't like to take shots much over 250 yds.

For both loads I used Norma brass and Win LR primers.

Gcf, I have been a Nosler man for a LONG time. If you want to see the difference b/w the Partitions and BTs let me know. I've tested them here at the CCPRC and have been gathering test material for my new 416 Taylor. Not many folks at the club these days due to the heat!

I use the 139gr hornady flat base or 140 gr interlok. If you are shooting larger than deer 160 np would be my choice.Good Luck

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Originally posted by aliveincc:
Gcf, I have been a Nosler man for a LONG time. If you want to see the difference b/w the Partitions and BTs let me know.

PM SENT!

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Originally posted by gcf:

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Originally posted by DMB:

I'm a 7x57 guy who also uses H-414 for powder. Bullets I use, as well as my sons, are Nosler 140 grain Partitions. Depending on the rifle, powder charges from 46.0 to 48.0 deliver best accuracy. Currently, I'm loading 47.0 grains for my new 7x57, and the accuracy is excellent with 3 shots into 1/2" groups at 100 yards.
I've been using these loads for the last 20 years with good success.
Primers are Federal 210's.

Don

Mind if inquire what rifle (your new one) you are currently loading for?

Also wondering about your choice of the Partition, over Nosler's other offerings. NOT taking issue with it (can't argue w/ success), just wondering.

Do you have any idea what velocity you are getting w/ the 140P, & 47.0 of H414?

I have never loaded Partitions - or Accubonds, but often wondered if either would offer an advantage over the Nosler Ballistic Tip - or Hrdy SP, w/ my No.1-A.

Funny thing is, when I was first tooling up to load 7x57, I made a number of on line inquiries regarding H414 & 140 grain bullets. This was primarily due to Nosler listing it as the most accurate, for their 140 grain bullets in 7x57.

Interestingly, "most" responders reported that they had never used the powder in that application. Go figure...

Thanks in advance!

My newest 7x57 is a Remington Model 700 CDL. I bought the rifle new as a 35 Whelen, and had a gunsmith remove the 35 W barrel, and instal a Shilen 7x57 barrel. I kind of like the CDL stock design.
Regarding the 140 grain Partitions; we had problems with lost Deer about 20 years ago shooting 140 BT's, so we switched to 140 Partitions and never lost another Deer.
I really don't know what the velocities are of the 140 gr Partitions with 47 grains of H-414. Our hunting here is limited as far as shooting distances go to about 150 yards max, so we sight in dead on at 100 yards and go hunting with no regard for bullet drop due to long shots. We have swamps here where the Deer hang out.
Interestingly, I just bought one of the new Winchester Model 70's made at the South Carolina FN plant in 7-08. It's the featherweight model. For load developing, I comapred the case capacities of it with the 7x57 case, and loaded up several rounds of 140 grain Partitions with 45.0 grains of H-414, with Fed 210 primers, same ones I use for the 7mm Mauser. After sighting in, the next three shot at 100 yards went into a 1/2" group, using a 20x scope I use for load developing. That took all of the joy out of further load testing with that rifle; the job was done! I also shot some 100 grain Sierra HP's with 42.0 grains of Varget and that load shot the same kind of group as the 140 Partitions.
Yes, I understand Ray uses H-414 also. That is the powder we've been using for 20 years for the 7mm Mausers, and all shoot very well.

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Originally posted by DMB:

My newest 7x57 is a Remington Model 700 CDL. I bought the rifle new as a 35 Whelen, and had a gunsmith remove the 35 W barrel, and instal a Shilen 7x57 barrel. I kind of like the CDL stock design.

Regarding the 140 grain Partitions; we had problems with lost Deer about 20 years ago shooting 140 BT's, so we switched to 140 Partitions and never lost another Deer.

Don -
Thanks for the input. Your CDL sounds like a real sweet heart, & I am envious!

I guess it's always been the price of a box of Partitions, that has always held me back from trying them. Actually a poor reason if you think about it, as there are plenty of less expensive bullets available for year round, "recreational" range sessions.

Gary