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Hangfire /300H&H ?
29 August 2006, 00:45
blackbearhunterHangfire /300H&H ?
I started loading the 300H&H today for the first time on a new to me/old rifle.I used H414-54gr. & cci 200 primer with a 200Gr.SAF bullet.I got 4 hangfires out of 20rounds fired.Is my primer the problem or can it be my fireing pin is weak?My hodgedon manual gave the load with a WLR primer not a WLRM.....I didnt have the WLR but thought the CCI 200 is the equal/right?Also do i run a risk of ringing the barrel of this rifle with these hangfire loads and how can you tell if the barrel is already rung

?Iam bumfuzzeled

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

29 August 2006, 01:02
FjoldThe first thing that I check is the depth of the firing pin indentation, does it look right?
If I think that there is any indication of a light pin strike, I pull the bolt apart and check that it is clean and that there is no build up of gunk slowing down or cushioning the firing pin strike. It's a real good time to change out the firing pin spring in older rifles.
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29 August 2006, 01:17
blackbearhunterThe indent looks pretty normal but i have never fired this rifle before.I was wondering if my load looked normal

.First thing i thought was the crazy primer should have been a magnum but iam not familer with the h414 powder in a 300H&H and really cant figure why the cci200 isnt lighting the charge

.I have had the awfulliest time rounding up brass and getting these rounds loaded.The shots were hitting high then low and i keep adjusting the irons and finally just got so close i could spit on the target and had two hangfires back to back.I quit right then

.I think i will regroup on the 300H&H for a while

.Your right ...now is the best time to find out a load or fireing pin has trouble,we still got 5-6weeks untill opening day whitetail season!

Thanks for the help!

29 August 2006, 08:56
bfrshooterSeating primers too hard, contamination on primers from fingers, Primers not fully seated, Weak mainspring, broken firing pin, excessive headspace and hard grease or crud in the bolt. Just some of the reasons.
Never and I mean never, spray WD 40 in the bolt. The very quickest way to mess up a gun. It can't be washed out and has to be scraped out. The firing pin and bolt should only have a very light coat of quality gun oil that does not harden in cold weather. Or a light coat of dry moly.
29 August 2006, 08:59
bfrshooterFrom the sound of the poor accuracy, I put the blame on the firing pin hanging up or the gun was stored cocked and the spring is weak.
29 August 2006, 10:04
buckshotAll good advice, but I think stick powders like IMR 4831 are best in the 300 H&H. If you're after speed with heavy bullets, try IMR 7828SSC. A ball powder like H414 needs a little more spark for reliable ignition, so I don't think it's your best choice. A little hotter than the various 4350s, I use H414 in the -06 with lighter bullets and am pleased with the result, but I load it hot and with F215s.
29 August 2006, 17:56
jorgeThe load you are using is very mild. As others pointed out, there are much better suited powders for the H&H. I like RL-22, IMR 4350 and H-4831. jorge
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29 August 2006, 19:11
buckshotA simple barrel damage check can be made with a good cleaning rod. Afetr cleaning the barrel thouroughly run a tight, lubed patch from breach to muzzle. If there are any loose spots (read uneven resistance) that is reason for concern. If it is a smooth push from end to end, I see no reason for concern.
29 August 2006, 21:19
bartschequote:
Originally posted by buckshot:
All good advice, but I think stick powders like IMR 4831 are best in the 300 H&H. If you're after speed with heavy bullets, try IMR 7828SSC. A ball powder like H414 needs a little more spark for reliable ignition, so I don't think it's your best choice. A little hotter than the various 4350s, I use H414 in the -06 with lighter bullets and am pleased with the result, but I load it hot and with F215s.
I throw in with Buckshot on this one. The funneling effect of the tappered case and mild shoulder may also contribute to the problem.

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30 August 2006, 03:37
blackbearhunterThanks everyone for the help!

30 August 2006, 04:35
lb404Try a magnum primer and see if the same thing happens. I load for 4 of the 300 H&H rifles and have never had that problem.
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