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If you load the ammo, you are liable for what it does.
And just how did you arrive to that? Not so! You still have to do something "wrong" and they have to prove it. And how can it be proved it's your load or ammo? It's been fired. Too many obstacles to jump to get to you. You're likely insured in you homeowner's or personal liablility policy anyway. I'll bet most of you didn't go out on Halloween for all the scary little kids in their costumes!
No, Bob
(i am trying to be nice) here's a good fricking example for you Bob...

In the Garden State of New Jersey, it is illegal to OWN HOLLOWPOINTS IN PISTOLS, for the very root cause that loading a pistol with bullets designed to KILL people (solids are designed to wound, if you read the geneva convention), and you have to go out, buy those, load them in your gun, and have it ready to KILL the bad guys. Mere possesion of them is a 90day to 2 year jail time. The lead singer from blues traveler found out the hard way.

secondly, in the same fine state, filling your self defense pistol with HANDLOADS, even with the "allowed" FMJ's also constitutes premeditated murder, as you spent your time and learned HOW to do this, to create a bullet that , by inference, has the same or more killing powder than a factory FMJ.

And, BOB, what EXACTLY do you think the FBI is going to do, should, say, 20 rounds you loaded for a buddy, with your fingerprints all over the empty cases, are found at a bankrobbery or, JUST ONE empty 223 case, on the side of the road, outside washington DC.

Yeah, you are liable for what you do, pal... and EVERYONE SHOULD FRICKIN BE for everything they do

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Posts: 40229 | Location: Conroe, TX | Registered: 01 June 2002Reply With Quote
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The problem with loading for anyone is is that if an accident does occur, and someone gets hurt, the injury is likely to be serious, and if someone is blinded, or looses a finger or whatever, they and their family are in for a lot of pain, suffering and financial loss and will want compensation. You are only liable if you are negligent, and it may be a tough case to prove, and you may walk away with a verdict of NOT NEGLIGENT , BUT who is going to cover the cost of your defense? If your homeowner's insurance doesnt cover it you are in for a huge expense! It is almose impossible to draft a waiver of liability that will hold up in court, and even if it does hold up, it is no good agains the fellow standing next to the gun when the accident happens who gets a metal splinter in his eye, or whatever.
I my view there is absolutly no reason why anyone would expose themselves to this kind of serious trouble to do a favor for someone who either A: is too cheap to buy factory ammunition,or B: is too lazy or cheap to reload his own.
When you handload you are betting your life and the lives of the people on the range that you did not make a mistake. I have done it at least 30,000 times. The more you load, the higher the chance that something will go wrong sooner or later, for whatever reason. About three years ago I had a primer get pierced while shooting 45-70s in my Sharps rifle. Felt like getting hit in the face with a HOT 2 X 4, with lots of cuts in the face and embedded powder and metal in my face. Thankfully I had my glasses on. I would not want that or anything else to happen to anyone, especially with ammo that I loaded. Just my opinion, for what its worth. Joe S
 
Posts: 22 | Location: Badger State | Registered: 25 August 2003Reply With Quote
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illegal ammo is exactly that, play with fire and you'll get burnt!!
would the FBI be concerned about factory ammo that you bought for someone else and then that person used in a holdup? do the FBI pull apart EVERY bullet that comes into their possesion,regardless of the headstamp,just so they can harass some poor bugger, who probably hasn't broken any laws anyway? this point confused me, is it a worse crime if it's reloaded ammo?

losing one's extremeties or sight could happen with factory ammo too, if l'm not mistaken,

30 years ago l had powder, sparks,gas in my eye, from a single shot lithgow .22, that can happen with any gun/ammo combo, correct?

we're getting away from the original question a bit here

How do all these custom reloaders sleep at night (regardless of insurance)knowing they could maim their customers? and, what's more, those devils load ANYONE'S!! [Eek!] cases
 
Posts: 15 | Location: Victoria | Registered: 20 October 2003Reply With Quote
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Hi Toyota,
You are correct in stating accidents can happen with factory ammo, and the custom reloaders are taking a chance also. However, the factories pay for insurance , which is a cost of doing business, and pass the cost on to the customer,as do the custom reloaders (if they dont they should). If you want to take the risk for free thats your decision. I am merely pointing out what the risks are in response to the fellow that asked the question. Joe S
 
Posts: 22 | Location: Badger State | Registered: 25 August 2003Reply With Quote
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Gents,
I too will pass on reloading for "friends". I know for a fact that "friends" do not always stay "friends" A dozen years back I had a buddy I went hunting with for seven years straight break in my home and steal some of my pistols. [Mad] From a buddy to scumbag in a matter of days. Nothing is certain except death people,despite our intentions. I really miss the guns and having the sumbitch that did it be one of my "friends" does nothing to diminish the loss of those fine guns. Nope, Reloading for "friends" is not going to happen here.........
I have reloaded for my lil' brother but now that he has more time and money than I do that practice has also come to an end. I will not reload for anyone but myself. My reloading equipment was not free,and I see no reason to give away my time for free either. I reload for 30+ calibers now and as stated before there is hardly time found for prepping my own cases and guns. 45nut
 
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