I just went to the nosler sight hoping that you could buy their 2nd cheap, no way, they're more expensive there than regulars are at cabelas

Nosler did have a link on their website to a retailer called Sportsmans Pro Shop which sells "blems" at a reasonably attractive price. However, the link, which was working a few weeks ago, now leads to something completely unrelated. Anybody know what's going on?

I'm lucky enough to live near Nosler which is in Bend, Oregon. The Pro Shop is a room inside the Nosler factory and sells a lot of things including "blem" bullets. The blems used to be
cheap but some people started buying blems and then reselling them at gunshows. I don't think that Nosler liked that. The orginal sale of blems was kind of a perk for the locals until it got abused. I am careful about the price in the Pro Shop because I have found better prices sometimes when Midway does a sale.

I'll check out their web site to see what's changed. If you have any Nosler questions just call the Pro Shop. They have always been helpful to me.

Friends-

Here's the new link:

http://www.noslershop.com/

The rpice on their partitions & Accubonds are certainly cheaper than any shop or catalog I have seen. I've wanted to try some, now seems like a good time.

I've gotten them a few times and cannot tell them from 1st's in the black and gold box. I wonder if they pass under some sort of ultraviolet light or something as a final inspection and something can be seeen that i can't notice.......maybe I'm watching too many CSI/Science shows!!!!!!!!!!! Then again you have to realize their cost is still way way below what they sell them for----i've heard golf ball manaufacturers x-out perfectly good balls and open up a whole new market to sell to still at plenty of profit!!

Fredj338 and kraky-

I purchased my first seconds (pardon the pun) a couple of weeks ago. Purchased some Accubonds and some partitions. I will never buy any firsts based on the visual on these seconds. The seconds were beautiful; how they didn't pass inspection, I'll never know.

Kraky, I can tell you that it is in fact true for some golf ball manufacturers that some years back, and for one current manufacturer still, that they sold x-out balls that were from the same production runs as their firsts. This is only true for very 'low end' balls though, premium manufacturers like Tileist never did so.

Having said that I have used a good bit of theNosler 2nd's and the only things I have seen are
1. The 'wrong' (not same as firsts) colored plastic tip on some of the BT's.

2. The ogives are different/less consistent than the firsts. This has actually slightly affected my seating depth averages with some of the seconds.

I use them for load development all the time, I wish they would offer the CT coated pills sometime, I like the 'lubalox' coated ones......

Regards--Don

PS-- I watch too much CSI also, it's actually on the tube now!

Some of the "seconds" are and some aren't.

In an order a couple of months ago, I received some of the "seconds" in the regular sealed black boxes with no notation of being seconds, and they obviously weren't.

On the other hand, a batch of plastic bag-packed .30 Partitions did exhibit slight inconsistencies in the amount of exposed lead at the nose. This doesn't seem to effect them enough in terms of accuracy or performance to rule them out as perfectly good hunting bullets. In other words, bullets that shoot inch and a fraction groups are as good as any for elk hunting, but I wouldn't sit down at a benchrest match with "seconds" (although working up loads for the bench with seconds would be perfectly fine.)

Used to buy Remington bulk bullets from Midway. These were the 2 diameter 150gr. 7mm bullets ment for the 7 mag. The only so called blem I could see was the lead tip was very slightly smuged and they didn't get the final polish. Shot several thousand in the Contender with no complaints. About 3 bucks @ hundred cheaper than 154 Hornadys that every else was shootng at the time.

The word got out and the price went up...I used 2nds for years...

Nosler has been taken over by the kids, so now they expanded into the custom rifle business and now they make the worst custom rifle that I have ever laid eyes on..You would think they would know a bit more about rifles...better they stick to the bullet making business, so far they still make a great bullet....