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Just got my new Case Master runout gauge, and I am very pleased so far.
I checked some cases that I had previously loaded with various dies and surprisingly, most rounds were within .05, for hunting bullets that's not bad.
One problem, I checked some rounds that I used my Forester Benchrest seating die, and I experienced .05 and .06 runout!!
These were also never before fired brass, so I'm not sure its a problem at all.
I thought when I bought the Benchrest dies, my runout days were long gone...Whats the deal???
Is neck trimming the next step on my quest for perfection??....sakofan....thanks...Anybody want to buy my Forester dies???...just kidding..
 
Posts: 1379 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: 11 March 2003Reply With Quote
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Buying a run out measuring device is a) the shortest path to insanity, b) a real cheap education if you get a grip on yourself early on, c)the best judge of your reloading skill you'll ever find. Or d) all of the above.

Nothing wrong with your dies, new brass seldom loads very straight first time. All of the players relating to run out are now in your sights. Think about what is happening, fiddle with this and that, turn a few necks, viola' 250 K-Hornet cases loaded with only 8 over .003" run out. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. [Big Grin]

BTW, index your cases to orient the run out in the same fashion when you load. You'll be amazed at the results.
 
Posts: 9647 | Location: Yankeetown, FL | Registered: 31 August 2002Reply With Quote
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Someone could and should write a book on bullet concentricity. I started using Wilson bushing dies a few years ago. That helped quite a bit. If you're using press dies, Redding bench dies are supposed to be as accurate as any in reducing runout. I still seat my bullets half way home, turn them in the die, then finish the job. I claim no real level of expertise and still have room to improve. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal
 
Posts: 1866 | Location: Montreal, Canada | Registered: 01 May 2003Reply With Quote
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I just reread my original post..I meant I had .005 and .006 runout. Sorry...
I did a test on some of my "other dies" ability to properly seat a bullet.
My "stock", RCBS dies, did an excellent job of seating some bullets, IF, like the previous poster recommended, just barely seat the bullet, turn 1/4, seat some more, turn 1/4, seat....you get the idea. Until the bullet is seated.
I checked those, and found at most, .004 runout and as little as .001 in some!!
I learned that trick from a fellow accurate reloader!! Thanks, for the tips!!!
....sakofan... [Smile]
 
Posts: 1379 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: 11 March 2003Reply With Quote
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Some of the things I've done to reduce RO along the way:

1. Dispose of most of my RCBS dies
2. Neck turning helps but is not a cure all
3. annealing necks can be a plus
4. die set up is important. Sometimes loose is better than tight, depends on what stage your at in the reloading cycle. I like the Lee lock rings with the o-ring.
5. partial seat and turn as mentioned above
6. neck sizing only helps most of the time, but when you produce straight ammo with a FL sized case you are a PHD of run out.
7. I do not have bushing dies but I have been know to send sizing dies back to trade for one with more compatible dimensions. Redding is helpful with this. In a lucky and perfect world one can remove the expander ball from a size die and treat it as a bushing die. Dimensions are critical, obviously.
8. Sometimes you can use the expander ball on the down stroke as a separate procedure and get good results. IF YOUR CASE NECKS ARE NOT CONCENTRIC, NEITHER WILL BULLETS BE........
 
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