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Soooo... all the manufacturers are spouting increases
05 January 2009, 18:37
33806whelenSoooo... all the manufacturers are spouting increases
In the cost of raw materials. Just about every website I go on lately has a disclaimer about the cost of raw materials are going up, so our prices are too.
It will be interesting to see how fast they drop their prices, now that the cost of raw materials has plummeted.
All non precious metals have dropped considerably lately. I have a friend that handles scrap and he says it's not even worth hauling the stuff over there.
It will be interesting to see who steps up first.
05 January 2009, 18:38
DocHow about some specifics.
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns
05 January 2009, 18:41
tnekkccThey are printing money like never before.
Jimmy Carter inflation will be here within a year.
Manufacturers are reticent to put cheap goods in the pipeline.
05 January 2009, 18:59
Thomas JonesThe winner of this sweep stakes will be the manufacurer witch had the smalest stock on hand when purchased at or neer the top.
Likly the copper and led and so forth that was purchased at the top of the bubble will need to be flushed from the system before prices can go down.
Can't say there is any connection , but sierra bullets sure have been hard to come by.
Mabye they let the supply run down at the right time.
Who can tell.
Sure would like to get my hads on a couple thousand federal 210 or 210ms though...tj3006
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05 January 2009, 19:21
33806whelenquote:
Originally posted by Doc:
How about some specifics.
Heres one: from the brass man.
The past several months have seen a dramatic rise in world metal commodities, therefore the cost of copper, lead, steel, zinc, brass and nickel brass that are used in the manufacture of bullet casings and reloading materials has increased in some instances well over 100%. These costs are so dramatic that it forces us to adjust some retail pricing to offset these increased costs.
We thank you for your understanding and your business!!
I saw the same disclaimer at Barnes also. All the mail order houses are claiming the same woes also. Natchez, midsouth etc.
05 January 2009, 19:46
DocWell, I guess I'm glad I've stocked up on lots and lots of bullets, powders, and primers. Should have enough to last the rest of my life really. Just bought some more 270 brass that I didn't really need, 200 pieces. I think I'm covered in terms of brass too.
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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
Sure would like to get my hads on a couple thousand federal 210 or 210ms though...tj3006
Where are you? I have about 25,000 210Ms and 25,000 215Ms, and can get lots of 210s, or could right before Christmas.
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns
05 January 2009, 20:38
tnekkcc
If Copper is $3/ pound, up from $1/ pound 6 years ago....
That should increase the cost of a 160 gr piece of 308 brass = [160 gr][1 pound/7000 gr][$3/lb -$1/lb]= 4.5 cent increase over 6 years.
But the cost of 308 brass has ~ doubled from 25 cents to 50 cents over the lase year, and none is available = 25 cent increase over 1 year.
What does it all mean?
Supply cannot keep up with demand given the spike and fall in commodity prices and fear of OBama and coming inflation.
Lots of people cry "price gouging" when prices go up, without knowing anything. Your brain needs an ignore function for these common comments.
06 January 2009, 00:20
krakyNow factor in the Minn is about to try and ban lead bullets. How many more states will follow and how many of us want a HUGE STOCKPILE of lead bullets on hand if they get banned in our state???? I guess you can always put them up for sale here in the chatrooms but unless there is a hell of a deal out there I think my "lead" bullet stock up days are over.
06 January 2009, 01:07
butchloci was buying sheet copper this fall at 6.50/# nots its 3.40 scrap steel i was selling at 200/ton now its 30. stainless is supposed to cut in half this month. supply/demand/sandbox
06 January 2009, 04:50
tnekkccI know a guy with a lead shot shell smuggling system.
If they don't make lead a felony, you can afford to play games with them.
06 January 2009, 04:53
MikeNcheck here for the lead prices daily.
http://www.scrapindex.com/metal/usa/lead/index.html
"An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a slave", Ceasar
06 January 2009, 05:11
vapodogTake an accounting course in LIFO and FIFO and it's then easily understood.....
This quote is excellent!
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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
The winner of this sweep stakes will be the manufacurer witch had the smalest stock on hand when purchased at or neer the top.
Likly the copper and led and so forth that was purchased at the top of the bubble will need to be flushed from the system before prices can go down.
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06 January 2009, 05:50
Jim C. <><The "law of supply and demand" over the last few months showed makers and dealers alike what we will pay. I suspect the results of the component horders stampede will show on component price tags for a long time, no matter the price of lead or copper.
06 January 2009, 05:55
Macifej06 January 2009, 06:09
BBBruceGood old capitalism. REAL "free enterprise", eh? Nawwwwwwwwwwwwww. Capital socialism.
06 January 2009, 06:10
tnekkccquote:
Originally posted by BBBruce:
Good old capitalism. REAL "free enterprise", eh? Nawwwwwwwwwwwwww. Capital socialism.
Sleep it off Bruce.
06 January 2009, 08:27
Mort CanardThe local price of lead shot has dropped from a high of about 20%-25% here in the middle of the country since the high back in late summer. I haven't seen a comparable decrease in the price of bullets.
OTOH the price of ammo has definitely gone up with the post election rush to stock up. This is especially true in the various military calibers. Nobody is having a sale on .223, .308, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R or 8x57Mauser.
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06 January 2009, 08:52
DaleThe high last summer was $4.00/lb for copper and $1.60/lb for lead. Today copper was $1.37 and lead was $.47. Copper has dropped about 65% and lead almost 75%. Once the price of components goes up, it rarely comes back down, even if the the basic materials drop in cost. I think the statement that whoever had the lowest supply of materials will be the winner is true. I doubt we will ever see any of that in a drop in the cost of brass and bullets.
06 January 2009, 09:29
SR4759quote:
Originally posted by Dale:
The high last summer was $4.00/lb for copper and $1.60/lb for lead. Today copper was $1.37 and lead was $.47. Copper has dropped about 65% and lead almost 75%. Once the price of components goes up, it rarely comes back down, even if the the basic materials drop in cost. I think the statement that whoever had the lowest supply of materials will be the winner is true. I doubt we will ever see any of that in a drop in the cost of brass and bullets.
If we don't see a drop from the big US suppliers Sellier & Bellot and Prvi Partisan will get an even bigger chunk of their market.
06 January 2009, 17:25
GerardThis is interesting.
Looking at the history of the copper price (US$ per ton) and our average price per pack of bullets (in our ZAR currency) since 2003 shows:
Jan 2003 - 1648.00 - 447.00
Jun 2003 - 1686.00 - 447.00
Jan 2004 - 2424.00 - 447.00
Jun 2004 - 2687.00 - 447.00
Jan 2005 - 3170.00 - 447.00
Jun 2005 - 3524.00 - 447.00
Jan 2006 - 4734.00 - 447.00
Jun 2006 - 7198.00 - 447.00
Jan 2007 - 5670.00 - 447.00
Jun 2007 - 7476.00 - 447.00
Jan 2008 - 7061.00 - 447.00
Jun 2008 - 8260.00 - 455.00
Jan 2009 - 3010.00 - 455.00
I respectfully ask that we be excused from the requirement to drop prices as a result of the fall in the metals prices.
The reality, as we see it, is that the input of the raw material forms only a part of the pricing structure and, often by improving productivity or increasing volume, increases can be accommodated, so that the impact is lessened for the end user.
Are we right? I wonder.
06 January 2009, 17:49
Hot CoreI believe for at least 12-15 years the Prices of our Reloading Components and firearms have gone up every January. Could be a lot farther back than that.
This is the best time of the year to do your new rifle shopping. January<->March is when I normally find some deals as the end of each month approaches.
Then you have April<->June to Develop Loads with the higher price components. Mr. Audette's Method looks real good then for saving money.
And July<->Deer Season should be available for Scouting, trail clearing, and Final Load Verification.
Just the way it is, January Price Increases have been the norm for a long time.
Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills.
07 January 2009, 01:26
vinnygquote:
Originally posted by kraky:
Now factor in the Minn is about to try and ban lead bullets. How many more states will follow and how many of us want a HUGE STOCKPILE of lead bullets on hand if they get banned in our state???? I guess you can always put them up for sale here in the chatrooms but unless there is a hell of a deal out there I think my "lead" bullet stock up days are over.
"IMHO" Even if they ban lead bullets in your State, don't sell or discard them.
You may still need them some day.
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07 January 2009, 01:40
SR4759quote:
Originally posted by vinnyg:
quote:
Originally posted by kraky:
Now factor in the Minn is about to try and ban lead bullets. How many more states will follow and how many of us want a HUGE STOCKPILE of lead bullets on hand if they get banned in our state???? I guess you can always put them up for sale here in the chatrooms but unless there is a hell of a deal out there I think my "lead" bullet stock up days are over.
"IMHO" Even if they ban lead bullets in your State, don't sell or discard them.
You may still need them some day.
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Typically when the manufacture of an item is halted you are allowed to use up existing inventory. Only new manufacture is prohibited.
When they try to stop manufacture of lead .22 LR there will be an uproar.
07 January 2009, 03:34
Alberta Canuckquote:
Originally posted by SR4759:
When they try to stop manufacture of lead .22 LR there will be an uproar.
Perhaps. But with the current master/slave relationship we supposed-citizens have with our mythical "government of the people" and its paper-tiger Constitutional regulation of government powers, it won't make any difference except to have a lot of us fined and a few "examples" maybe sent to various prisons.
Anyway, in case you hadn't noticed, Kalifornia is in the proces of barring lead .22 LR ammo right now, in the name of saving the Condor.
No, they aren't banning its manufacture or sale YET. What they ARE doing is banning its use for small game hunting in the same areas they have already banned lead-core bullets for bigger game.
And the "lead-clean-up" police are not far behind with their pressure being exerted on shooting ranges.
The anti-gunners now have not only the camel's nose, but its forelegs, head, and shoulders into the tent.
So, everyone who owns guns will piss and moan...but it is obvious from the past twenty years they haven't the spine or the cajones to do what is required to stop it.
07 January 2009, 06:13
SR4759quote:
Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
quote:
Originally posted by SR4759:
When they try to stop manufacture of lead .22 LR there will be an uproar.
Perhaps. But with the current master/slave relationship we supposed-citizens have with our mythical "government of the people" and its paper-tiger Constitutional regulation of government powers, it won't make any difference except to have a lot of us fined and a few "examples" maybe sent to various prisons.
Anyway, in case you hadn't noticed, Kalifornia is in the proces of barring lead .22 LR ammo right now, in the name of saving the Condor.
No, they aren't banning its manufacture or sale YET. What they ARE doing is banning its use for small game hunting in the same areas they have already banned lead-core bullets for bigger game.
And the "lead-clean-up" police are not far behind with their pressure being exerted on shooting ranges.
The anti-gunners now have not only the camel's nose, but its forelegs, head, and shoulders into the tent.
So, everyone who owns guns will piss and moan...but it is obvious from the past twenty years they haven't the spine or the cajones to do what is required to stop it.
Yeah but California is not the rest of the country ....and it is about to go broke.
07 January 2009, 06:23
rolltopquote:
So, everyone who owns guns will piss and moan...but it is obvious from the past twenty years they haven't the spine or the cajones to do what is required to stop it.
