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 Over the years I have used mostly Remington brass without any problems. But was wondering what kind of brass, and why, do those of you use when reforming for a special case. I am going to reform some 7.7 from 30/06 which isn't any biggie and I have used Remington in the past. Just was wondering if when reforming you might like to used a certian type brass for some reason.  | ||
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I have always found Lapua and Norma to be very consistant from case to case. I use them in that order if at all possible. That said if you are happy with the Rem why change? All your loads might change if you change brass. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Federal. I wish you could buy it for reloading. Second choice is remington. Norma is nice however I questions if it is worth the extra expense. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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have to agree with roscoe. i do not shoot competetively but i shoot several thousand rounds a year. i use lapua for most of my target and wildcats because i paid good money for them. but have found that you have to prep all of them. rp, fed, ww, graf, give as good results. i have shot some of my best groups with all of the above. i have not found any of them to be any better than the other. imo case prep is more important than name on the headstamp. i have read that lapua has longer reloading life than others, i have not found this to be true. the shortest life and my best groups have come from ww nickle brass. just my experience arky65 people that trade freedom for security become slaves | |||
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My favorite brass? Whatever I can get 1000 of, all from the same lot number. And generally that is Remington. | |||
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I've only bought brass once in my lifetime that I thought was of inferior quality and that was a very long time ago.....it was labeled Herters. Today if I buy 100 new brass of any mfr or am able to get once fired of a certain make I'm in hog heaven and I use 50 of them for testing until I have a load I'm pleased with and then I load the other 50 to that spec. I have no cares whatever if the headstamp is WW, REN-UMC, FED, or other such as Lapua, Norma, or Hornady. In all seriousness, 50 rounds of 200 grain A-Frames for the .300 H&H is a 20 yrear supply almost. Bear in mind that the other 50 brass is available for sight in and other misc needs. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I second Vapodog's opinion. I use differing headstamps more for tracking hunting loads vs. practice, sight-in, target rounds than for any other reason. For the benchrest guys there may be quite serious issues concerning weight, mass, etc. Merkel 140A- .470NE Beretta Vittoria- 12 Ga. J.P. Sauer & Sohn Type B- 9.3x64mm ArmaLite AR-10A4- 7.62x51mm Franchi Highlander- 12 Ga. Marlin 1894 CB Limited- .41 Magnum Remington 722- .244 Rem. and many, many more. An honest man learns to keep his horse saddled. | |||
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Thanks for the info. Just was wondering what you thoughts were. I will most likley get some new Remington 30/06 cases and go from there. | |||
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I don't do case forming, so I can't answer your question from that point of view. Winchester brass generally tends to be slightly thinner-walled than Remington brass. This means that you can often get a grain or two more powder into a Winchester case than you can with a Remington case. For case forming, this could mean that Winchester brass is easier to work than Remington brass -- but that's just a guess since I haven't actually done it myself. "How's that whole 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?" | |||
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This is coming from someone that has actually fomed brass: Lapua and Norma are the worst choice for case forming. Their case wall thickness at the shoulder is more than double that of domestic brands, yet their neck thickness is the same. Just imagine how difficult case forming will be and what you'll end-up with. Use whatever brand you want, as long as it is domestic. | |||
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10-4 on the domestic! Have a few Winchester so will run one through the old 7.7 die and see if it works easier than the Remington. I Just can't see paying twice for brass when even excellent once shot cases work real well enough for .375 groups. | |||
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The last time I bought some remington brass I got it in bags of 50 like winchester went to a few yrs ago. This stuff (rem in the 50 bag) was really wonderful. It was real clean and not all dented up. Just plunged them over my lyman m-die and proceded to load and I don't think a one came out over .003" runnout and most at .002 and under. Beat the heck out of what I used to get in bulk boxes of 100. They were always beat to crap and had a bunch of pink hue all over them from some sort of wash or something. Basically the same price as the big bulk box--give it a try...I'm convinced it was made to far better standards. I see more suppliers offering these 50 bags. | |||
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Will look into the Remington in the 50!Ricciardeli when you say 1000 in the same batch, do you find that you have had better sucess that way? Just wondering about it as I unforthly don't get to reload quite that much with my limited income. But do get to run out about a 100 a week or so. And will soon be starting my quest to get accrute with the 174 match bullet in the 7.7. | |||
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My favorite brass is RWS and Lapua, followed by Norma and WW in no particular order.... Remington is good brass and Horneber is doing fine so far, but I only started using it lately. I am sure Hornady is good brass as is Federal... IMI is super brass, maybe the best yet, but limited to 223 and 308... Actually the only bad brass I know of is Bertram and its absolute junk IMO...... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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i have done the full circle with brass and LAPUA wins hands down ...i see this when pressure testing the 06 with lapua brass it can take a real hammering and still comes out smiling !!! daniel | |||
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But you can't easily form other cases from it!!! | |||
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ralph i guess when your the father of so many cases cartriges why the hell would you want to go through all the birth pains again !!!!! regards daniel | |||
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Since we are of topic now Ill add my opinion on this as a reloader I have found that winchester brass gives me more reloads at high pressure loads. I have found them to flow less and require less trimming and the primer pockets stay tighter longer after repeated firings. off topic and IMO  If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Lapua by a country mile. I'm fire forming lapua 243 cases for use in my 7mm-08 & am getting over twice the life of remington 7mm-08 cases,a friend is having simular results with his 30-06,he's getting almost twice the life from lapua as he is from winchester brass. All of the lapua brass that i've used has been very uniform in all ways & it will be the only stuff that I use from now on. | |||
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good grief charlie brown - woesn't anybody use good old GI brass anymore?? | |||
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No doubt RWS brass are very good, but very expensive. | |||
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with my 06 LAPUA brass i have gotten between 50-60 reloads from a case ....i just kept reloading one case it it died ...i tried this with a few lapua cases ...so i guess the results speak for them self regards daniel | |||
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Since I can only get Norma brass for the 416 Rigby I don't have any choice but it's been good so far. I've had only average results with RWS brass in .375 H&H and have had better longetivity with Winchester in that caliber. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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For those of you who can form an image in your head: Shoulders on Norma or Lapua cases are twice as thick as are neck walls. If you form a 7.7 case from a 30-06, you are pushing the location of the shoulder further back on the case by about .200". If you use a Lapua case, you'll end up with a two part neck, half ow which will be too thick to chamber. Now, you'll have to inside ream, which is not a big deal if you have a $160 reamer die, but all this effort is not worth it for a surplus rifle. | |||
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A $160 reamer die to inside neck ream?, what planet are you from...How about $30.00 and to start with I would outside neck ream and again thats not expensive...I have used Norma brass for wildcatting without the problems you are talking about, it comes annealed from the factory and never had the problems you talking about...but I don't form 7.7s either. At any rate I get more loadings from Lapua and RWS than with any other brass, and apparantly some other here do also, that tells me your doing something different... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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If you were to form a 7.7 case from Morma 30-06, you would be outside reaming for a long time. It would take several passes, too much work. | |||
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To answer your other question, I'm from a planet where geometry is important. | |||
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My favorite brass is Norma, RWS, Lapua, Sako, Geco, Horneber, IMI, RUAG. Cheers / JOHAN | ||
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I've tried every maker of brass to fireform cases for my 7-08AI, but finally settled on Winchester .308 brass. It is more uniform than anything I've found, and relatively cheap. I just bought a Marlin 30-30 for my grandson, and wanted to start him out with 125gr plinking loads. Since I've had good luck with the .308 Win brass, I gave Winchester a shot. Besides, I didn't have time to pick up an order at Simmon's and that's all my nearest gunshop carried. This batch of Win brass was horrible. Talk about hanging chad! There were some real trap doors blocking the flash holes. Almost all of the cases were at or below the trim-to length. I ran a primer pocket uniformer in several cases just to see if I could even touch brass. Nope! I almost weighed a few cases, but chickened out. I was afraid of what I'd find. I've got 50 cartridges loaded up, but I am disappointed with this brass so far. We'll see how it shoots. | |||
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