I posted below asking for some 270 and 300 RUM loads with TSX's. Shot my 270 this morning and was amazed. I love Nosler bullets but the rifle's appreciation of the TSX's astounds me. This is from a 1949 Win Model 70 that has given only inch and a half groups after I did all the usual accuracy tricks with the rifle and handloaded rounds. I did not measure the group yet, but it is about the size of a dime I guess? 59.0 grains of 4831sc with a 210M primer, seated to 3.34" oal. My other 270s like 55.0 grains of 4350 or 60.0 grains of RL-22 with the 130 grain bullets, but not this rifle. Even with the Noslers (both 130 and 140 grains)it has shown a preference for 4831sc. 59.0 grains of 4831sc was a tad warm today, pressure-wise. Next trip out, I will try 58.0, 58.5, and 59.0 grain loads and compare. While I like the accuracy, the velocity left something to be desired. Only 2900 and change. Remember, this is a 130 grain bullet. I was getting 3100 fps out of my Nosler 140 grain bullets in this rifle, but not the accuracy.

Any other load suggestions appreciated. All hail to the TSX.

All Hail to the TSX

Man i wish I new more about the 270!
Keep working on those loads hope fuly you will get the velocity your are looking for and THAT kind of accuracy

Hey Prdator,

I measured the group....
.211 center to center. This group is only bested by my Jarrett and Carolina Precision rifles in 280ack and 300 RUM respectively.

Still want more velocity!!

TSX's are quickly becoming my test bullets for accuracy, in complete contrast to the old X-bullets which were my test bullets for gun cleaning procucts.

Barnes does suggest that you can load 1 or 2 grains more powder with the TSX to attain the wanted vel.

Looking at the flattened primers, its telling me "no more" on the 4831sc. Primers were flat...really flat...and the tooling marks from the bolt face were evident on the primer. This was about max for this rifle. May try some old fashioned 4831 and see what happens.

Hi Hank this is a bit of topic I am sorry. I have been reading with great intrest, I have a model 70 ( new supergrade ) I also have done the usual accuracys improvements; pillar bed, free float, lapp scope rings ect. Same accuracy you were getting. ( I would say it was me but I take other rifles with me to shoot while barrel is cooling and am MOA or better) I have handloaded in the past and will agian but I am going to RSA aug. 1 and had hoped to shoot Federals 180 TSX ( factory) I have only shot 2 so far I will have more time to shoot maybe Tues. OK now more on track for when I do load my TSX I will go 165 ( Maine whitetails) are you neck sizeing only? or full resizeing case? What brand of bullet seating Die are you using? I hope the TSX are the cure for my model 70, I really like the gun but it has been alot of work to get it to shoot really well. Thanks John.

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Primers were flat...really flat...and the tooling marks from the bolt face were evident on the primer. This was about max for this rifle. May try some old fashioned 4831 and see what happens.

About max????? I suspect if you were to get hold of a strain gauge and test the loads, you would find you were well above the max. I may be all wet, but if I were seeing tooling marks in the primer cup, I would back off.

The beauty of the TSX is that it holds together like no other bullet. Since energy is a function of mass, if the bullet doesn't fragment, it retains more kinetic energy, and in doing so promises an exit wound. That, to me, is the best reason in the world to shoot the TSX. It WILL exit...

Doubless,
That is exactly why I started shooting the X and now the TSX! for a exit wound I lost the largest buck I have yet to get to shoot, a long time ago. I was shooting balistic tips out of my 264 win mag and never found the deer NO blood trail!
I switched to the 120 gr X and have taken over 100 head of game with that rifle and load. I lost one deer to them and that was all my fault.
and only recoverd one bullet.
I realy think the TSX is IT.

Hey Maine Woods,

I use Redding dies exclusively and buy them in the 3-die sets, which includes a neck sizer. I use the neck size die on all my loads and it shrinks the groups just a little bit more (at least in my head). About every third loading, I will go ahead and full length resize so there won't be any potential feeding problems. Naturally, I keep all the brass seperated by rifle, so I don't shoot my "Remington 700" brass in my Winchester model 70. I strongly dislike Barnes bullets after I lost one heck of a good 8 pointer. Knocked him to the ground, got up, ran off, no blood. I was hunting with a good friend and he was spotting the shot for me through his binocs. He said I hit him in the lower chest right where you tie your bowtie. The bullet impact was clearly audible from 200 yards away. Anyway, no dern deer and we looked all over creation for it. Shot a couple of does, again with my buddy spotting for me. They were taken in the vicinity of 100 yards, and both ran off with what I call an "icepick" entrance and exit hole. They ran forever, but fortunately we were able to recover both. After that, I was soured on Barnes, as were a few of my buddies that had similar results. Interestingly, we have all had the same results with Sciroccios as well, and these are big Wisconsin stock whitetails. Georgia re-stocked about 50 years ago and our area got pure Wisconsin whitetails...their genetics and our food produces some big ol bucks.

Doubless, you may be right...it was hot...temperature wise, and load wise. If that is the load the rifle likes, I am hoping it will behave better in the colder fall temps. Otherwise, I am backing off some. Thanks for your suggestion...don't want to mess up such a pretty face.

Prdator, I am switching to Accubonds in my rifles that like Noslers for the reason you stated. I can get as good, sometimes better, accuracy with the Accubonds than BT's, and they do hold together.

Good points..thanks for the imput.

hank,wish i could get those TSX to shoot like that,only tried the 100gr. 25 cal. in three 25/06 and one 250/3000.All these rifles are accurate,but one 25/06 would do about .90 three shot,rest 1.25 to 1.75.Tried all different seating depth,shot up the box,and said no more.
One comment on your measuring of your group,great group but,i can't see for the life of me how you came up with a .211 center to center.You have more than a .277 bullet hole,as your widest two shots are just or not quite touching each other,not that it really matters,as it's a great group.

Yeah those bullets are great. I have tested the 85gr TSX in my 243 with 37gr of RL15 and shot a .6 inch group at 100 yards prone off of a bi pod! I really do wonder how much that will tighten up off of a bench, Im thinking down to a one hole group.

i can easily see how he got .211 CTC. those lines above and below the group are 1 inch apart, and if u carefully look at the group, it's a little less than half inch, then subract what you said is BIGGER than a .277 since the hole is bigger then the bullet. Lets say the group measures .488". Take off .277 and look what you get, .211 CTC. anyways...that's one nice group. I have seen many groups with the TSX in the .270 come to groups like this, which really amazes me. I am going to pick some of these bullets up in a few days to start working up a load for this years deer season. can't wait to get em.

I have found the TSX's to be very accurate and thier terminal performance is quite spectacular

beretta9289, thats exactly what happened. .488-.277=.211.
Scouts Honor...

Check out these 300 yard groups on the steel plate

http://longrangehunting.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat...6&an=0&page=4#108976

Hank,like i said in earlier post,it's a fine 3 shot group,wish i could get them to shoot that well in the 25 cal.One thing you are doing wrong,a 270 does not make a .277 hole in the paper,about a .265,but i just round off to .26,so you are subtracting too much bullet diameter.Second i think you are a bit off on your outside measurement,as you have two bullet holes maybe touching or not quite on your two widest shots(top & right shots)this would give you closer to a .53 outside,subtract the .265 bullet hole and you get about a.265 3 shot group.I had a friend that was the official measurer at benchrest matches for years,and i helped him for a long time,and measured thousands of groups,so a person can look at one and get close.Most benchrest shooters can look at their groups in the scope and get within .02.Don't ask me how they do,but bullet don't cut their diameter on paper,as a .30 cal. makes about a .28,243 about a .223,most are close to .02 smaller.Beretta as far as looking at the grid size you have a known diameter in the bullet hole to go by,now if it's a little hole with bullets overlaping each other,then that 's a diffferent problem!!But in the grand scheme of things does it really matter,unless you are shooting in a match."That's all i'm going to say about that"

Thats fine....lets call it an inch then....

FYI: I have never seen any center to center group measurement utilize anything other than the actual bullet diameter in computations. That being said, it was a whole lot better than any other group shot with this rifle.

Hope everyone has a great day