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I’m pretty much a newbie at reloading. Have done a handful but still lots to learn. Question is would you guys start a load that doesn’t have any data on it yet? Looking to find some loads for my 26 Nosler and someone steered me towards Ramshot LRT. They don’t have load data for this powder but they do have it for 28&30 Nosler. 30 starts at 84gr and 28 starts at 87gr. Would I be ok starting with 84 or 85 gr? Just looking for thoughts from experienced loaders. Thanks! | ||
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Before I did that, I would call the powder manufacturer and ask for load data......... Guns and hunting | |||
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They have the entire catalog of powder load data on their site to download. No 26 Nosler at all. I emailed them and they said they would look into the 26 again but it would be minimum 6 months For load data on it if they decide to test it for the 26. So no guarantees they will come out with it. | |||
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Ask the person who steered you toward that powder what they're using and then reduce your load 5% or so. If they're NOT using it, how the heck did they become qualified to steer you? You cannot extrapolate data from a cartridge with a bigger bore. The 26 N will build pressure way faster with it's much smaller bore. My brother will have a 26 N within a few months, maybe that quick, but I won't since I have cartridges all around it and don't have a hole in the stable for one right now. Best of luck! Zeke | |||
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""I’m pretty much a newbie at reloading. Have done a handful but still lots to learn."" If they recommended ramshot magnum they are on the right end of the burn rate for the 26 nosler. Personally I would use a powder that has already been tested. Hodgdon list a few powders Hodgdon http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-con.../burn-rate-color.pdf | |||
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This is why I do not use powders that were not around in 1968. And for someone brand new at reloading, neither should you. Wait a few years before you experiment. Can't go wrong. | |||
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The guy that told me about this powder is named Steve from Hammer bullets. He has not loaded 26 Nosler with it but has done some other loads and said it seems to be better than RL33 in different temperatures. The other powder I was looking at. That’s why I bought the LRT. | |||
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You lot do not understand what a sheltered life you all lead in reloading! You have access to all the powders available, and have published data to back it up. We do not. We use any powder we can get our hands on, regardless of where it comes from, and always find uses for it. I will give you a couple of examples. A friend from the coastguards brought a large can with naval flares in it. They were 4 different types. On the outside, it says EXPIRES JUNE 1980. That is 39 years ago!! He was laughing, and said "what are you going to do with these?" I said "I will get the powder out, and use it for pistol shooting" He said "this should be fun". We opened up all the flares, each had different powder in it. No problems. We mixed the lot together, and got a few kilos of powder, we labeled FLARE MIX! Next step is to find what charge we can use for our 357 and 44 Magnum revolver cast bullets. With 5.5 grains in the 357 Magnum it shoots very nice practice loads. In the 44 Remington Magnum and 240 grain bullets we use 9-14 grains of this powder for a velocity of 735-1105 FPS. Very nice practice loads for the kids to practice with. We use quite a lot of recovered powder from old cartridges. The secret is to start low and work up. I got thousands of 8x57 Mauser ammo made 113 years ago in Egypt. They have flake powder. I use that in all sorts of cartridges, from the 6mm PPC USA to the 308 Winchester. All shoot very accurately. | |||
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NOSLER reloading has date for the 26 Nosler. this is there cartage, good load data, but not the powder you want, load data for the 28 and 30 If it was my, I would stick with the Nosler reloading manual.. and the powders they choose. | |||
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I have the Nosler reloading book. I have some US 869 but a lot of guys say it hasn’t been the most accurate powder for this load. However Nosler and barnes or Berger say it was the most accurate for their loads. I’ll just start with the 869 for a few different loads and see what happens. Guess I’ll just have to buy a new magnum caliber to use that LRT on lol. Makes the most sense right? | |||
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another thing to remember, what is best for there reloading, may not be best for yours. you may half to try 2, 3, or 4 different powders, and 2 or 3 different bullets, to see what your rifle likes, but once you got it, you got it, | |||
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Like Saeed, BTDT. If you have any reloading data, a relative burn chart and a chronograph you can get close but you need to be very careful. Find where your powder is on a relative burn chart (see if you can find more than one since they don't always agree). Now find the powders that you do have data on on the chart. Ideally you will have data on 2 powders that are faster and slower than the one you have on hand. Use the data of the faster powder but just to be safe reduce it by 5% to start and work up appropriately. If you blow up your rifle or yourself, I don't know you. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Looked at a burn rate chart from Ramshots site and this particular powder isn’t on it yet. Must be fairly new stuff. And I know my gun may not shoot as accurately as the book or someone else’s loads but just looking for a starting point with this powder is all. | |||
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I think I would stop listening to Steve at Hammer Bullets. He is recommending Powder X over Powder Y for cartridge Z but he has never used Powder X in cartridge Z. That's a helluva recommendation. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I would wait about 15 years at least before trying to work up loads for a new caliber or with new powders before that info was available, your not ready for that..It can be done but few walk where man has never walked before!  I can tell you how to do it, and Ive done it often, but I wont', its too much flying by the seat of your pants for a newbie, and even and old curmudgeon that's loaded for 60 years can have some exciting adventures in doing so... Be patient the load data will come fouth..Call Nosler and talk to them, they will give you some loads I bet.Im sure it will be a slow burning powder like IMR7828 or on that order, but how much is the tricky part in that too much or too little has been know to blow.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atkinson: I can tell you how to do it, and Ive done it often, but I wont', its too much flying by the seat of your pants for a newbie, and even and old curmudgeon that's loaded for 60 years can have some exciting adventures in doing so.../QUOTE]  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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^^^ This!!! Zeke | |||
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The 2 most important factors are bore size and case capacity. A 26 Nosler has a bore about 13% smaller than a 28 Nosler, that is a substantial difference. There are other factors such as case dimensions, freebore, actual bore diameter, etc., but they are not major. Some of them will vary even between 2 rifles of the same caliber. That is why there are "starting loads" and "maximum loads". If you can get some 264 Winchester load data for that powder, the starting load should be a safe place to start. | |||
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I’ve decided to wait with the Ramshot powder. I’ll go by my Nosler book and the other powder manufacturers that have loads for this. Then no guessing. I’ll just try the US869 for now which is in the book. Maybe get some retumbo or RL33 later on. Those are also in the book. | |||
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That's a very wise decision. | |||
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The hard part is getting a starting load when that info isn't available, number of ways to do this but at best one flys by the seat of his pants to one degree or another..Once you have a base load then work up a grain at atime then a half grain at a time, watching for pressure sighs, and that in itself is learned with practice as they can come in a serious and sometimes the jump the gun on you!! Once you get to the point your comfortable with it, you will have had some mighty exciting experiences, and that's a fact, but apparently you dodged the big one, I did..well so far. However, that said, there is absolutely no reason to do that these days, the data your looking for is out there on any reasonable caliber I know of.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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