I was nosing around the Berger Bullets website. I noticed that they actually recommend their VLD bullets for hunting and to boot they offer a free dvd with info pertaining to this.
Well they sent me the dvd and to my surprise they had tons of game kills on it and at 1000+ yards ranges. What the best of the west people do not tell you on their first dvd is that that is all they use on their long shots. Pretty nice dvd of long and fairly short range shots. Most kills are made with 168 7mm vld 7mm rem mag and STW ang some with 300 mag with the 168 vld, and some others. Order it , it is free and enjoy.

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and to my surprise they had tons of game kills on it and at 1000+ yards ranges

How many cripples do they show limping off to die a slow and lingering death?

Ok ! Stop right there. A war was not the spirit and intent of this post. I do not long range shoot at game animals! No way no how! (No such thing as long range "HUNTING" in my book! If you hunt you get close! period!) I just posted for the free dvd with game kills and the possibility of getting more info on in-field performance of these bullets on game.

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and to my surprise they had tons of game kills on it and at 1000+ yards ranges

How many cripples do they show limping off to die a slow and lingering death?

Wondering if this smart ass comment was dirrected at the advisability of shooting at long range, or the use of a match bullet, or both?

Take a look at this recent thread here about Berger bullets. Also take a look at the reference to the thread I started over at THR about the Berger field test for the NAHC.
Berger bullets thread

Since I live and hunt in Wisconsin, there's almost no chance to "hunt" at 1,000 yds. 400 yds. is my longest shot ever, I knew the trajectory of the bullet, the cartridges capabality, and the deer was killed!

A real man knows his limitations..

I am the last person in the world that would use a match bullet on any big game. Especially Sierra trashkings--sorry can not help it!
The only reason I was looking into the Bergers is that on their website (and DVD) they claim their hunting bullets are designed for big game in mind.

Pop, I'm with you on that line of thinking! I'd much rather use a properly constructed cup & core bullet, or even a premium bonded bullet. BUT I was selected to do that NAHC test, as a handloader AND hunter of whitetail deer, I decided the guys that made those bullets really want to know if their bullets work for that use.

The scenario described by Eric Strecker on the THR thread "SOUNDS" like it might be a good result. What bothers me is the described total fragmentation inside the animal. If indeed it happens inside the vitals, it would anchor them but good! The combinastion of a short bareled 7-08 and a heavy-for-caliber bullet, led me to believe it would be alright to try them.

My experience with other bullets that fragment, BT's, SST's, is that I'm picking/running into lead and copper fragments in my meat!

IIRC you did some expansion tests with the accu-bond bullets. At the same time I was testing the interbonds. Both are better bullets that any match type bullet for edible game!

You guys must have missed this topic when it was posted awhile back. First, I've had the DVD "Beyond Belief" ever since it became available. Second, there seems to be a MAJOR discrepancy on the timeline of when Berger became a sponsor for Mr. Burns. Personally from all the info I have gathered, many of those hunts are falsely advertised. Before the best of the west website changed, Mr. Burns clearly wrote that "I still can't decide on which bullet is my favorite." (between Barnes X and Swift Scirocco). Maybe Berger's story is legite, but I still think Burn's story is a bit shady. They were indeed looking for a bullet sponsor in 2004, so perhaps they approached Berger then and claimed that they were using their bullets.

Mr. Burns had it on his website for the longest time that his 2 bullets of choice for long range work were ONLY the Swift Scirocco and the Barnes X, but he did not specify which Barnes.

It is my understanding based on phone contact with some folks at Best of the West, that Mr. Burns had only began testing the Berger at the tail end of that video production. One person stated that not ONE kill on that video was with a Berger bullet. (if this is the same video you are referring to).

To my surprise, my next gun/hunting mag showed up a month after this series of emails and phone contacts, and there was a nice BIG add by Berger bullets, claiming to be hunting bullets, and referencing Beyond Belief as proof.

Consequently, Mr. Burns nor anyone on his staff has returned one email or phone call once I brought this up.

Based on this, it is my belief that every kill you see on "Beyond Belief" is either the 7mm 150 Swift Scirocco, or a Barnes bullet, and NOT a Berger bullet. (keep in mind, this is only if we are talking about the same video). I do not know if Berger and Best of the west have had some more recent kills with a Berger or not because it is also true that Mr. Burns did hunt with some Bergers in 2004, 2005 and 2006.

Ultimately, the bullets do kill game, but you have to take into consideration their preference of shot placement: High shoulder.

Until we see some "Best of the West" BLOOPERS, or the video clips that do NOT make the "movie" I will stick with a bullet truly designed for hunting. I'm not convinced that they've not had some number of animals get up and run off after being riddled with shrapnel, only shocking the animal temporarily.

I understand what you're saying DOC. All I can tell you that since I have both dvd's the same hunting/kill footage on beyond belief is the exact same as the Berger proof dvd with captions added for caliber, berger bullet used, and velocity.

I do not know.

Pop, another thing I noticed recently is that John Burns apparently is no longer with "The Best of the West."

Not that I give a hoot one way or the other but it is plausible that bullet sponsorship was desired and the folks at Best of the West were testing the VLD with some good results. They approached Berger and 'claimed' that the kills were with Berger bullets when perhaps, they were not....making the claim to gain sponsorship.

My only heckle to the whole thing is the timeline, and what I've been told by some of the folks at Best of the West....who are also, "no longer with us."