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Looking at switching my light load in 375H&H from 235TSX to something with a better BC. Tried 250TTSX but couldn't get them to group. Am ready to try the Hornady 250GMX but the Hornady data tops out with RL15 at 70.7gr and 2700fps. WTF? My loads for the 250TTSX topped out at over 77gr without any pressure signs and I didn't bother to chrono them because I don't bother with velocity until I get accuracy but my load for the 235's was close to 3000fps. The top Hornady load is with TAC and Power Pro 2000 MR and those both top out at 2750. Why is this bullet so slow??? Anybody have data for the 375H&H? Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | ||
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Just for your info QL tops out at 70.2 but 2800 from a 24" For your info this is what QL comes up with using the 62366psi limit. Cartridge : .375 H.& H. Mag.
Bullet : .375, 250, Hornady GMX 3708
Useable Case Capaci: 77.674 grain H2O = 5.043 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62366 psi, or 429 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
84 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 104.7 78.6 5.09 2929 100.0 62366 9058 1.074 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 103.8 77.9 5.05 2908 100.0 62366 9016 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 103.8 77.9 5.05 2908 100.0 62366 9016 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 105.0 80.1 5.19 2851 97.7 61986 9034 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 102.6 77.7 5.04 2845 96.9 62366 8972 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 102.6 77.7 5.04 2845 96.9 62366 8972 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 104.9 76.8 4.97 2842 98.9 62366 8871 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11 101.1 74.7 4.84 2830 99.7 62366 8487 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223 92.3 73.7 4.77 2826 99.9 62366 8382 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game 97.8 74.6 4.84 2823 99.7 62366 8391 1.102 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 97.3 69.6 4.51 2814 99.8 62366 8398 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 92.7 72.4 4.69 2803 100.0 62366 8201 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B 98.6 70.6 4.57 2803 99.8 62366 8300 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 98.1 70.2 4.55 2802 99.5 62366 8348 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 98.1 70.2 4.55 2802 99.5 62366 8348 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 98.1 70.2 4.55 2802 99.5 62366 8348 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 105.0 78.8 5.10 2800 98.3 57165 8860 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 90.3 69.5 4.51 2799 100.0 62366 7885 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 99.9 72.3 4.69 2798 100.0 62366 8180 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 99.9 72.3 4.69 2798 100.0 62366 8180 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 102.2 72.4 4.69 2790 99.9 62366 8105 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 100.2 70.6 4.57 2790 99.7 62366 8046 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 93.1 71.2 4.61 2788 99.7 62366 8169 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 94.6 67.8 4.39 2788 99.9 62366 8108 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 99.3 72.7 4.71 2787 98.7 62366 8392 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 97.7 65.4 4.24 2785 100.0 62366 7440 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 95.0 68.0 4.41 2785 99.7 62366 8147 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 102.2 71.6 4.64 2784 99.9 62366 8117 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52 98.3 72.7 4.71 2781 98.9 62366 8277 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516 95.8 73.0 4.73 2780 98.7 62366 8288 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 95.6 70.7 4.58 2779 99.7 62366 8085 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50 97.7 72.7 4.71 2776 98.8 62366 8216 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 105.0 75.2 4.87 2775 98.6 57857 8609 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 98.9 73.1 4.74 2771 98.8 62366 8172 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507 92.1 68.8 4.46 2771 100.0 62366 7862 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 94.8 69.9 4.53 2771 100.0 62366 7637 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 92.6 69.9 4.53 2771 100.0 62366 7637 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 101.1 73.0 4.73 2769 97.1 62366 8193 1.098 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321 90.3 69.6 4.51 2768 100.0 62366 7878 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 99.4 69.6 4.51 2767 100.0 62366 7601 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 100.7 69.7 4.52 2763 99.4 62366 8029 1.111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 100.4 69.7 4.52 2763 99.4 62366 8029 1.111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 105.0 74.4 4.82 2763 98.4 56637 8584 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 105.0 74.4 4.82 2762 98.4 56586 8579 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 93.8 72.3 4.69 2762 99.7 62366 7867 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062 99.0 69.0 4.47 2761 100.0 62366 7786 1.126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 91.3 65.7 4.26 2761 100.0 62366 7756 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 93.0 71.8 4.65 2758 98.3 62366 8178 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 105.0 77.6 5.03 2758 96.6 55859 8775 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 93.7 72.0 4.67 2757 98.6 62366 8081 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064 101.4 68.6 4.44 2756 99.5 62366 7876 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 97.6 70.7 4.58 2755 100.0 62366 7619 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 86.1 67.3 4.36 2754 100.0 62366 7483 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR 93.4 66.9 4.33 2754 100.0 62366 7684 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 95.3 67.1 4.35 2751 100.0 62366 7462 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 102.9 73.2 4.74 2751 98.0 62366 8051 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10 85.7 65.6 4.25 2751 100.0 62366 7447 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 85.7 65.7 4.26 2750 100.0 62366 7437 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 96.0 67.2 4.36 2749 100.0 62366 7750 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 105.0 77.6 5.03 2749 93.6 58502 8606 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 104.2 73.3 4.75 2748 96.1 62366 8269 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907 104.2 73.3 4.75 2748 96.1 62366 8269 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 101.0 73.3 4.75 2747 96.1 62366 8263 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 105.0 73.5 4.77 2743 97.9 61114 8205 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 93.3 65.4 4.24 2743 100.0 62366 7264 1.150 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 91.2 63.4 4.11 2743 100.0 62366 7233 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219 85.7 63.4 4.11 2743 100.0 62366 7233 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902 97.8 67.5 4.38 2740 100.0 62366 7650 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator 90.7 69.3 4.49 2739 99.7 62366 7776 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 40 90.9 66.4 4.30 2738 99.9 62366 7664 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 92.3 64.3 4.16 2735 100.0 62366 6868 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp 92.8 64.3 4.16 2735 100.0 62366 6866 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 88.6 68.3 4.42 2735 100.0 62366 7463 1.137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 88.9 68.3 4.42 2735 100.0 62366 7463 1.137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 88.5 68.6 4.45 2731 99.9 62366 7564 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 105.0 74.8 4.85 2728 99.8 51152 8397 1.186
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 94.7 67.3 4.36 2727 99.9 62366 7561 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 82.8 60.8 3.94 2727 100.0 62366 6953 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140 97.5 68.4 4.43 2726 100.0 62366 7171 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 105.0 74.4 4.82 2725 96.4 58720 8352 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 87.5 67.1 4.35 2724 100.0 62366 7354 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901 93.9 63.9 4.14 2723 100.0 62366 7332 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N135 103.8 67.4 4.36 2723 100.0 62366 6965 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 105.0 80.1 5.19 2722 94.3 52188 9074 1.170
ADI AR 2210 87.0 64.4 4.17 2721 100.0 62366 7352 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S060 95.5 66.5 4.31 2720 99.7 62366 7548 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12 91.1 66.5 4.31 2715 100.0 62366 7071 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Benchmark 92.7 65.3 4.23 2714 100.0 62366 7320 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI BM2 85.3 65.0 4.21 2714 100.0 62366 7301 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 105.0 76.3 4.95 2713 95.3 56891 8380 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 94.8 67.2 4.35 2710 99.9 62366 7434 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200 84.6 61.5 3.99 2706 100.0 62366 7112 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350 105.0 74.8 4.85 2700 95.1 57396 8167 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 100.9 75.4 4.88 2695 95.7 62366 7754 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x 88.6 59.9 3.88 2693 100.0 62366 6786 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150 105.0 70.9 4.60 2691 100.0 58056 7536 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 84.9 62.1 4.03 2684 100.0 62366 6574 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S335 95.4 66.8 4.33 2684 100.0 62366 6897 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2015 91.1 62.4 4.04 2683 100.0 62366 6715 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 85.5 59.4 3.85 2675 100.0 62366 6710 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-26 105.0 80.8 5.24 2671 95.2 45467 9363 1.225
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 105.0 72.7 4.71 2667 99.1 51995 7873 1.174
Norma 200 84.8 59.4 3.85 2667 100.0 62366 6593 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N133 97.2 63.7 4.13 2664 100.0 62366 6529 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4198 86.1 57.9 3.75 2663 100.0 62366 6575 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 75.2 4.87 2657 92.0 52819 8316 1.168
Raufoss RA4 105.0 75.2 4.87 2657 92.0 52819 8316 1.168
IMR 4198 88.4 56.8 3.68 2652 100.0 62366 6329 1.120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350 105.0 73.5 4.77 2651 94.2 54277 8026 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 91.6 61.3 3.97 2649 100.0 62366 6447 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Kazan Sunar 308W 87.5 61.3 3.97 2644 100.0 62366 6437 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-7 83.6 57.9 3.75 2643 100.0 62366 6402 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 105.0 74.8 4.85 2635 91.3 50689 8337 1.197
ADI AR 2207 83.7 56.0 3.63 2632 100.0 62366 6255 1.147 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 105.0 78.5 5.08 2626 91.7 45502 8953 1.235
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 75.2 4.87 2622 91.3 49326 8367 1.196
IMR 4831 105.0 72.0 4.67 2618 97.1 48959 8096 1.213
Rottweil R904 105.0 74.1 4.80 2607 90.4 52085 7949 1.184
Winchester Supreme 780 105.0 79.3 5.14 2607 91.3 51297 8033 1.198
Somchem S361 105.0 80.1 5.19 2600 89.6 53959 7828 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 75.2 4.87 2596 90.8 48302 8232 1.207
Hodgdon H4227 80.5 52.7 3.42 2594 100.0 62366 5940 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227 80.3 52.6 3.41 2591 100.0 62366 5934 1.131 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N120 86.1 56.3 3.65 2583 100.0 62366 5839 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385 105.0 76.0 4.92 2581 92.5 48211 8096 1.239
Vihtavuori N125 81.6 54.3 3.52 2581 100.0 62366 5854 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 77.2 5.00 2578 86.9 46686 8401 1.229
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 76.8 4.98 2556 85.8 44061 8528 1.258
ADI AR 2213 105.0 76.0 4.92 2550 86.5 45936 8224 1.241
Lovex S053 81.3 52.2 3.38 2549 100.0 62366 5674 1.150 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 76.0 4.92 2547 88.9 43462 8427 1.267
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 76.0 4.92 2547 88.9 43462 8427 1.267
Raufoss RA15 105.0 76.0 4.92 2547 88.9 43462 8427 1.267
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 76.0 4.92 2546 87.1 47912 7891 1.232
Somchem S265 80.3 52.8 3.42 2522 100.0 62366 5560 1.202 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 79.9 5.18 2514 82.7 42795 8356 1.273
Alliant Reloder-23 105.0 73.5 4.77 2501 95.5 39811 8158 1.312 As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Yes that is the data I was referring to. Just can't understand why there is so much discrepancy in pressure between Hornady and Barnes data for a very similar bullet. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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