What do you guys recommend for 8X57 on Model 98.
The barrel slugs .324 I just order some dies, Remington brass and Speer 170 grain bullets. I have CCI 200 and Win Large rifle Mag primers. Powders include IMR 3031, 4064, 4320, 4350, and 7828. H 4895, 414, Varget, 4831. Reloder 15, 19, 22
Win 748 and 760.

I load for about 10 different rounds now, just new to the 8X57.
Not looking for a max load or high velocity, just something to shoot at the range and maybe deer hunt with at less than 200 yds.

I might even try some cast bullets someday.

Thanks

Trigger,

I (my gun) likes Fed 210 primers, 48.0 grs. RL15, 170 gr. Hornady #3235 (a round nose soft). No need for magnum primers. This is not a max load and is quite accurate in my gun. Make sure you work up, Yada, Yada.

My gun is a Yugo M48 but pretty close to M98, the action is just a bit shorter.

Hope this helps.

I can give you several loads that have shot an inch or less from Mod 98's that have been customized and left 8 x 57. Some of these had military barrels and others had aftermarket barrels. In any case they were scoped rifles.

46.5 Re-15 170 Speer R-P case BR-2 at about 2500 fps
47.0 IMR-4064 175 Sierra Formed '06 F210 at about 2475 fps
Also 48.0, 48.5, and 49.0 shot under an inch.
48.0 Re-15 170 Speer 7.92 mm 44 WLR at about 2578

A few good 200 gr loads include:
47.2 WW-748 WW-Super R9-1/2 at about 2474 fps.
52.0 IMR-4350 WW-Super F210 (Nosler claims 2698 fsp but I doubt it does more than 2500 or so, but it is accurate in several guns

A few good 150 gr loads include:
From 39.0 to 41.0 gr of IMR-4198 anyone's case and primer.
45.5 XMR-2015 WW-Super F210 shoots about an inch.

The 8 x 57 is one of the least appreciated cartridges in the U.S. It's a great round.

If you are looking for max velocity, try RL 7.



Work up, but a point to start is at 42.5 grains. Seat the bullet out as far as magazine will allow. this is key!



IN mine, somewhere around 49 to 49.5 grains should be max!

Remember with fast powders, the difference between safe and max, isn't much usually.

, but by all means, WORK UP SLOWLY!



This post has had some mods done to it on the advise of a member I respect a lot. I am sure his main concern is some of the less knowing or experienced members, just going right to the Max Max load and starting from there.



I thank that member for emailing his concerns in private.



If this does not meet his suggestions I humbly ask him to email me again. I want to make the point, without someone being foolish and hurting themselves.





USE YOUR HEAD AND BE SAFE!



cheers and good shooting

seafire

I spent a day a few weeks ago doing some 8x57 testing. The best load I got was 48 grns of IMR 4064 with a 180/175 grn bullet for 2600 fs. (usual disclaimer here) Accuracy was equally decent with all powders I tried.

The 200 grn Nosler load didnt even come close for me. Mine began showing a flattened primer with 51 grns of 4350 for only 2370 fs, there are definatley better powders for 200 grns from an 8X57. I got better velocities and accuracy from 4064, W760 and Rlr 15. Id like to try some Norma MRP with the bigger bullets. But if I were using mine for deer I would definatley try to get some 150 grn interlocts to shoot in it. Thats all the bullet youll ever need for a deer and @ 2900 fs it would stick 'um @ 300+ yds easily.

If you can still find some Remington 185 gr Pt Core Lokts that were made for the 8mm Rem Mag, get them.

They really worked great for us. There wer a fairly tough bulet, and at 8mm velocity, they held together nicely.

Just FYI: MidwayUSA has the Remington 8mm (.323 Diameter) 185 grain Core-Lokt bullets currently in stock.

Box of 100, $11.57
Box of 500, $52.10
Box of 1000, $101.29
Box of 2000, $197.11

http://www.midwayusa.com/

-Bob F.

I used 4064 and Speer 170's in my Turk 8mm. I don't have my load book next to me for the charge weight, but the velocity from a 22" bbl was around 2650fps. These shot into around .8" at 100 yds.

Some more numbers from Quickload

With the speer 170 loaded to 3.2"



RL15 56gns 2940fps @ 58.3ksi

RL15 50gns 2650fps @ 42ksi

IMR 4064 55gns 2900fps @ 60ksi

IMR 4064 50gns 2670fps @ 45ksi

Lar,

I have had similar info supplied by Clark on here. Although I do not use Quick Load, The info I have received from that program from others, doesn't correspond to what I see.

I don't get pressure signs when according to Quick Load, I should be picking pieces of my rifle up off the MOON.

This is stuff I have worked up and looking for pressure signs all the way.

Velocities I should have been getting according to Quick Load have not been real accurate compared to what my chronograph says I am getting.

This info I have received has nt been extensive, but so far what I have received has not been on target yet. Either they are wrong or I am off target.

But I have learned to believe what I personally see working up and looking for pressure signs and then believing my chronograph as it has compared to other chronographs, even the expensive ones. I trust it better than I trust a computer program that has applied a lot of theory instead of hard core testing.

With all the variables in reloading on one end and all the lawyers starving for business all the time, I can see where personal testing yields results, and manuals or computer programs have to cover their fannies from vicious lawyers starved to be out and make a buck.

We all follow our own paths and use what works for us.

NO one will argue tho, in load development, work up instead of just taking a computer programs word for what you should be seeing.

Cheers and good shooting
seafire

Seafire.
I agree completly. Look at all your sources and be responsible for your own decisions and actions. And definatly start low and work up.

quickload has been right on the money for me in most of my loads. It predicts my 06 load to within 3 fps of actual. My 470NE is close also. The 454 and 44mag stuff is real close. For the Revolvers, I add some length to account for the cylinder. I adjust the barrel length until it spits out what the chrony reads. Then use that length for other simulations and it seems to work well.
I use it as a tool to compare to the load books.

Seafire has been saying to me for 6 months that the load books are pushing us toward slow powders, when the optimum may be fast.

I have not tried that yet.
I keep shooting IMR4895 in 8mm [ 3 trips to the range with 8mm in 6 months]. I am happy with the accuracy, but faster powder would make less noise.

So try the 170 Speers with between 38 and 52 gr 3031 and you should kill deer at 200 yards.