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Many here in CT call bullets for reloading "heads".

I see the seller is in NY and thats not far away.

How this got started I don't know but it goes back to the 50's at least.

The English often refer to the whole cartridge as a bullet, and the projectile as the head. It's one of those car hood/bonnet things.

Hog Killer

I do not think it is an English thing. I see it in the US on Ebay. I think it is just non handloading types selling stuff they don't know how to describe properly. Cartridge, hull, casing are not in their vocabulary. Bullet - well that says it all. JB

My youngest brother. Ask anyone who knows him.

It should be bullet or head , not both. But they are consistant with the american practice of saying it twice like , Table Mesa. tiny little etc .

Those uninitiated ignoramuses who think a complete loaded cartridge is a "bullet" think a bullet is a "head". Hell, even the "experts" on the History Channel get this wrong!!

These are the same troopers who think a softpoint bullet is a "dum-dum"". You know, morons like those who give the evening news on the three major networks!

might just the part of the bullet with the teeth, but who nose?

sorry - just another one of those days

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Originally posted by El Deguello:
evening news on the three major networks!

City people is it, you should have seen Greta Van Susteren talking to this Zoo type man.

Zoo man; "I've just come from Australia and there's all these Roos lying along the outback highways. You should check their pouches for Joeys."

Greta; "Why are they lying along the roads?"

(Ya gotta love her)

Then the Zoo man had the impudence to brush down the front of her jacket. (Just to get the zoo off i guess.)

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Originally posted by El Deguello:
Those uninitiated ignoramuses who think a complete loaded cartridge is a "bullet" think a bullet is a "head". Hell, even the "experts" on the History Channel get this wrong!!

These are the same troopers who think a softpoint bullet is a "dum-dum"". You know, morons like those who give the evening news on the three major networks!

Does this include these folks http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com they too refer to bullets as bullet heads...

It's dumber than homemade rocks if you ask me.....but it's the way it is

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I think it is just non handloading types selling stuff they don't know how to describe properly. Cartridge, hull, casing are not in their vocabulary. Bullet - well that says it all. JB

That is the way that I see it.

Im in england and I call a cartridge a cartridge and a bullet a bullet, "Bullet Head" drives me up the wall! After all, what ever got shot with a "Bullet Head"?

To go off topic, the "Dum Dum" thing is Daft too, sorry to get off topic but I heard "Dum Dum" is a place in India where someone in the British military arsenal had the idea of expanding bullets"HEADS";-) Dont know if thats true or what but hey?

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Does this include these folks http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com they too refer to bullets as bullet heads

It's dumber than homemade rocks if you ask me.....but it's the way it is

I recon so! (It's them dad-burned BULLET BUTTS that you gotta watch out fer......The heads ain't so bad.)

"To go off topic, the "Dum Dum" thing is Daft too, sorry to get off topic but I heard "Dum Dum" is a place in India where someone in the British military arsenal had the idea of expanding bullets"HEADS";-) Dont know if thats true or what but hey?"

YES!! Absolutely true! You Brits were having a deuce of a time stopping the Zulus with the new .303 round-just went through. The beggar was dead, but didn't know it yet, don't you know!!

So some of the boys at DumDum Arsenal, (yes, it's in India), cut the noses off some of the offending (215-grain full-jacketed roundnose) slugs, leaving them flat. These worked a lot better! But you folks got into a little international hot water when you had the audacity to use them on white folks during the Boer unpleasantness. It's OK to shoot a Fuzzy-Wuzzy with an expanding bullet, but not a "civilized" person......

I thought Michael Caine sorted out that conflict for us! ;-)

"Bullet head" is to reloading/shooting what "Pot head" is to recreational drug use.

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

I heard "Dum Dum" is a place in India where someone in the British military arsenal had the idea of expanding bullets"HEADS";-) Dont know if thats true or what but hey?"

YES!! Absolutely true! You Brits were having a deuce of a time stopping the Zulus....

Hey, El D - Glad to see other guys also have days like mine. Dum Dum arsenal was (may still be) in India, but the Zulus sure weren't.

As I recall, the bullet was "invented" by cutting the noses off of full jacketed bullets used by the Brits during either the Sepoy Rebellion or one of the later 19th Century fuss-ups in the Raj where the indigenous population had the audacity to believe that just because it was their country, that gave them the right to run it. The Brits, of course, were entertaining none of that......and resented the fact the locals didn't just lay down and die when plugged with one or more of the FMJ gifts from the imperialists. (Imperialists - those who run, support, or defend an empire...not the modern political term.)

I HATE to see that Mid South Shooters Supply has to carry this abuse of language/knowledge in their catalog.

Next thing one knows shooters will NOT know a clip from a magazine!

Rant mode off!!

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Originally posted by Chris Parkin:
I thought Michael Caine sorted out that conflict for us! ;-)

"Breaker Morant"?? Good military law training film!!

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

I heard "Dum Dum" is a place in India where someone in the British military arsenal had the idea of expanding bullets"HEADS";-) Dont know if thats true or what but hey?"

YES!! Absolutely true! You Brits were having a deuce of a time stopping the Zulus....

Hey, El D - Glad to see other guys also have days like mine. Dum Dum arsenal was (may still be) in India, but the Zulus sure weren't.

As I recall, the bullet was "invented" by cutting the noses off of full jacketed bullets used by the Brits during either the Sepoy Rebellion or one of the later 19th Century fuss-ups in the Raj where the indigenous population had the audacity to believe that just because it was their country, that gave them the right to run it. The Brits, of course, were entertaining none of that......and resented the fact the locals didn't just lay down and die when plugged with one or more of the FMJ gifts from the imperialists. (Imperialists - those who run, support, or defend an empire...not the modern political term.)

Well, it wasn't the Sepoy Rebellion, which was caused by the rumor that pig fat had been used to grease the cartridges issued to the Sepoys for use in the .577 Rifle-Musket in use during the 1850's. Both Hindu and Muslim troops objected to having to bite the bullet off such a cartridge, getting PIG FAT in their mouths. Actually, the rounds were greased with beeswax!!

Of course, the Zulus weren't in India, nor were the Boers, but somehow Dum-Dum bullets were used at the ouitset of the Boer War despite having originated in India.

Of course, the majority of the Zulu trouble occurred when the British Army was using the .577/.450 Martini-Henry. A most excellent single-shot rifle!!

El D-

Actually, I know it wasn't the Sepoy Rebellion, that's why I added the part about the others 19th Century spats...it was just too early n the morning to stay up and go look it up. You are quite right about the pig fat, and I knew that you knew where the zulus were...that's why the comment on other's having some days like mine.

It' just that I also know some newbies. A few but not all would read a post about the Dum-Dum Arsenal and Zulus, and forever after quote that as the reason behind the "Dum-Dums". Didn't went that to happen as a result of their reading on AR. In truth, of course, dum-dums were developed as an field expedient, about 40 years after the Sepoy Rebellion, and were, if I recall correctly, a modification of the existing Mark II .303 ammo.

Now I guess I'll have to take part of Monday and look up which exact kerfluffle in India it was that gave rise to the Dum-Dums, to post that, unless you do it. Can't do it tororrow, will be at the range all day.....

Best wishes, anyway....

I wish I could spend all day at the range, today. Can't; no rifle within 2500 miles...