I shot 168 BTHP molly with 50 grains of R15 yesterday and the accuracy was pretty darn good from my 21" tube Marlin 06'. 100 yards, all holes touching. Now to make just one hole with 5 shots
The 165 Ballistic Tip is my go-to bullet for whitetails. For years my pet load was 50gr of IMR4064. Consistently 1 MOA or less. Then I finally tried 4350 and now that's a smidge better, or at least more consistent. I forget the exact load, but it's in the 56-57 grain range.
Try 57.5 grains of H4350 or, in this case, that same amount (57.5 grains) of IMR 4350.
Unbeatable...
Unbeatable, except in my rifle, where 56.5 of H4350, 165gr Gameking, WLR, 2770fps works much better, even using your "OCW" method, which is actually a rip off of Chriton Audette's method.
Posts: 19 | Location: Cleveland, WI, USA, Planet Earth | Registered: 04 February 2003
Trigger, It looks like I am speaking for the minority opinion here, but I have had two Win 670 bolt rifles in 30-06 and they both loved any 165 gr bullet over 60 gr of H4831. I later worked the load up to 63 gr with Nosler 165 balistic tips with no loss in accuracy. The rifles would each print inside one inch for three shots after glassing the actions and adjusting the triggers at home. As a note, I always use CCI 250 primers when loading with H4831 or any of the powders now available which are slower burning.
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Posts: 273 | Location: West Central Idaho | Registered: 15 December 2002
Bedlamite, if you believe the OCW method is a "rip off" of Creighton Audette's method, I suppose you see no difference between a flintlock and a Remington 700?
Out of a M700 Mountain Rifle-60gr Re 19 165gr Barnes XLC-XBT CCI 200 primer 2850fps 3 shots into an inch or slightly under at 100yards. 60gr of IMR 4831, everything else the same- 2980fps with approximately the same accuracy and no pressure signs.
A buddy of mine has Rem M78 (el cheapo version M700) in '06 that wasn't shootin' for shit with anything. I loaded up Green788's 165 '06 load and guess what...one inchers @ 100yds, easy! he's happy.
Posts: 8169 | Location: humboldt | Registered: 10 April 2002
over the years I've had several 30-06's. The last three or four, when I go them home, I fire formed some brass, loaded 57grs of 4350 into the cases under a 165gr bullet (rem cor lokt or hornady) and shot a boring 1 inch or slightly over or under at 100yds.
Posts: 2037 | Location: frametown west virginia usa | Registered: 14 October 2001
I only tried one recipe, but found 57.5 grains of H4350 under 165 grain BTSP interlock to be the most accurate in my M70 30-06. After I shot 3 holes touching, I figured there was no need to look further. Now it's just up to me.
Posts: 179 | Location: Wisconsin | Registered: 02 October 2001
I think it is very likely that folks who are enjoying good results with only 56 to 57 grains of 4350 with the 165's will find that groups tighten even more with the 57.5 grain charge...
I have used 165/W760 in the 30-06 for years with a lot of success. A couple of years ago, I acquired a good supply of Vihtavuori N-160 and have found it to be even better. Usually it starts to work best at around 59/60 grains, and one of my '06's likes the 165 Partition with 62 grains. It will shoot around .7MOA right out to 500 meters. Regards, Eagleye
Only my M70 likes 58g IMR 4831 in WW brass with WLR primer under a Speer 165 SPBT. Last time I recorded a group (10/93) it was 1.25" for 5 rounds. Last year at the "zero confirmation" shoot 2 were half and half in each other and the third almost touching, total about .75" . All at measured 100yd, of course.
Don't use this as much now that I have the 300WM A-Bolt for elk.
I've found that a 165-grain bullet in a .30-06 is hard to beat. I agree with all the postings that suggest that 56.5 - 58.5 grains of IMR 4350 with any reasonable 165- to 168-grain bullet is the standard against which all others should be compared.
I've also had excellent results with Nosler and Hornady 165-grain bullets over 62 grains Reloder 22. This is my standard hunting load, and due to the pressure curve of this powder, it's actually quite a light load, believe it or not. I usually put the first three shots into one inch at 200 metres with this load and 165 Nosler Ballistic Tips out of my Remington 700 Stainless Mountain Rifle.
Another load which give virtually identical results and pressures is 61.5 grains of H4831 -- a load which I believe Ken Waters has listed as one of his favourites in his "Pet Loads".
Another outstanding load -- and one which is suitable for gas-operated actions like the Garand -- is 50 grains of Hodgdon Varget behind a 165- or 168-grain bullet. This is an exceptionally well-balanced load and is stable over a range of temperatures. In fact, it probably comes close to being "universal", in that it performs well in all kinds of rifles, 1917 Enfields, Springfields, Garands, Winchester Model 70s -- you name it.
My pet load for my 30-06 M70 sporter is 56.6 grains of imr4350 behind the new hornady 165 sst and out to 250 yards she shoots a fine .8 moa using the federal 210 primer in a fireformed case.....nice. Will be my load now for upcoming hunting season!!
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