30 minutes ago they where F'ing idiots, but I've calmed down since then!

Here's the short version....

Go there to buy some Retumbo. They have 8 pounders and 1 pounders. They pull the 8 pounder out for me. I figure I'll never use that much as it's just for 1 hunting rifle so I told them to just give me 4 - 1 pounders. The clerk tells me NO, that they have a 2 container limit. I ask why and he says "because people are hoarding".

So I say "I can buy 2 - 8 pounders?" to which he says "yes".

I told him, "I just want 4 pounds" to which he again says the company policy is NO, only 2 containers

I then told him that it makes absolutely NO SENSE and that what I wanted was the opposite of "hoarding".

I tried to reason with him, "leading him to logic but you can't make people think".

I then told him, "So, it's fine to buy 2 - 8 pounders which is 16 pounds of powder, and not 4 - 1 pounders which is 4 pounds of powder?" to which he says yes, with a straight face I might add!


What the F%$K!?????!!!!

There is nothing wrong with the clerk you mention, he is following store policy not set by himself.

2 containers.

I understand your point perfectly but understand his. He is following "bosses orders"

I would have asked to see the manager.

A while back the comany was in serious financial trouble, you would think they would see the logic in your thinking, and want to make a customer happy.

The point is that the people setting the policy are idiots, not the clerk.

Does this make sense to anyone that customers can buy 16#s of powder but buying 3#s is not allowed because it is considered hoarding?

I did ask for the manager.

He came out and promptly told me that that's the way it is.

Morons

So enter the store twice and problem is solved.

God Bless, Louis

Demand to speak too the Stores Operations executive . Voice your frustrations in their direction !.

Any more you're extremely lucky if the person with which your conducting any transactions ,can actually speak

English and properly give the correct change !. If you've ever been inside a large outlet store which is all

computerized ,in regards to their cash registers and the power goes out ; GOD help you !.

Because he's the ONLY ONE who can !. Pray this NEVER happens too any of you !!!.

The doors lock down nobody can total a receipt, they can't figure tax and absolutely are CLUELESS on

deciphering our monetary system, in respect to making change !.

I'm not one who gets really upset over much however;I wonder WHY WE AS A NATION ARE PISSING AWAY

BILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ON EDUCATION and for WHAT ?. When these people can't even do basic daily

functions !.

I do agree with Ted ; Those showbots are only following a directive from management !.

An management is the one who is in need of an ass chewing !.

If they didn't put some limit on it they wouldn't have any at all. Around here other dealers are just cleaning them out. I'm all for reasonable limits.

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Originally posted by youngoutdoors:

So enter the store twice and problem is solved.

God Bless, Louis

Yeah, buy two pounds in singles and go to lunch. Come back an hour later and buy the other two pounds...

Whadaya expect in New Mexico?

quote:

Originally posted by swampshooter:
If they didn't put some limit on it they wouldn't have any at all. Around here other dealers are just cleaning them out. I'm all for reasonable limits.

Dude,

and all you defending this policy with the same moronic logic.....

16#s IS MORE THAN 4 POUNDS!

I'm guessing the reason they limit to two one-pounders and allow two eight-pounders is because most people will buy the one-pounders for the very same reason you want one-- or two. I resisted getting a Costco membership for the longest time because I only need to buy a small amount of Product X-- not twenty pounds of it. I did get the membership because I will need to buy tires soon. I got the membership in March and have yet to buy a single thing there...

quote:

Originally posted by youngoutdoors:
So enter the store twice and problem is solved.

God Bless, Louis

You got it! Grocery stores do it all of the time. Just go back again or bring a friend next time. When you have x number of units in inventory, you have to devise ways to ration it out if you anticipate demand outstripping your supply.

I'm sure the one pound canisters move much better then the 8 pound canisters.

If you are floating down the stream of life and there is a rock in the middle just go around it. Arguing with idiots does not change things it just brings you down to their level.

Besides I lived in New Mexico. LOVE THE STATE. but if you are looking for sparkling intelligence weeelll I don't think that you have come to the right place.

I told the clerk that I was going to do just that; take the two to the truck and come back in for 2 more. I was too pissed to go back in!

I'd have probably bought 16#'s !

quote:

Originally posted by els:
If you are floating down the stream of life and there is a rock in the middle just go around it. Arguing with idiots does not change things
it just brings you down to their level.
Besides I lived in New Mexico. LOVE THE STATE. but if you are looking for sparkling intelligence weeelll I don't think that you have come to the right place.

Alright.

I just bought a nose and glasses and I'm going back in!

quote:

Originally posted by rcamuglia:
30 minutes ago they where F'ing idiots, but I've calmed down since then!

Here's the short version....

Go there to buy some Retumbo. They have 8 pounders and 1 pounders. They pull the 8 pounder out for me. I figure I'll never use that much as it's just for 1 hunting rifle so I told them to just give me 4 - 1 pounders. The clerk tells me NO, that they have a 2 container limit. I ask why and he says "because people are hoarding".

So I say "I can buy 2 - 8 pounders?" to which he says "yes".

I told him, "I just want 4 pounds" to which he again says the company policy is NO, only 2 containers

I then told him that it makes absolutely NO SENSE and that what I wanted was the opposite of "hoarding".

I tried to reason with him, "leading him to logic but you can't make people think".

I then told him, "So, it's fine to buy 2 - 8 pounders which is 16 pounds of powder, and not 4 - 1 pounders which is 4 pounds of powder?" to which he says yes, with a straight face I might add!


What the F%$K!?????!!!!

that's easy to explain.. Obama Voter..

quote:

Originally posted by els:
If you are floating down the stream of life and there is a rock in the middle just go around it. Arguing with idiots does not change things it just brings you down to their level.

Besides I lived in New Mexico. LOVE THE STATE. but if you are looking for sparkling intelligence weeelll I don't think that you have come to the right place.

I knew a girl who was from
New Mexico...great gal!
So glad she went back...

quote:

Originally posted by rcamuglia:
Alright.

I just bought a nose and glasses and I'm going back in!

This is what I needed tonight.....made me laugh, thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by youngoutdoors:
So enter the store twice and problem is solved.

God Bless, Louis

I have done that, there, at that particular store, for ammo. The Management policys are non flexible and make some of the employees look like idiots. I have met a lot of them, Jobs are hard to come by and they repeat exactly what they are told. Sad for them and the consumer

....the clerk smiled as I bought 4 boxes of ammo at a time, went to the truck, came back in....untilI had 1000 rnds of .38 super...lol.



Thats one way of going around a rock.....

Last year when ammo was hard to get a local dealer would go into the local Walmart on Thursdays when ammo came in and buy most of it. He killed 2 birds with one stone by removing competition and restocking his shelves cheaper then he could buy wholesale. After a couple of months the store started limiting how much one could buy.

I see both side of the problem.

I understand rationing when supply is limited. At our store, we had and a$$&(#@ come in and wanted to buy every primer we had and got pissed when we told him we were limiting to 400. We were trying to keep everyone shooting. However, in this case, the policy which allows 16# and not 4# is fairly rediculous. I do think that in New Mexico you have to not give the average worker too much to think about! A good friend of mine is from there and he has nothing nice to say about that average employee in stores like that.

It is sure not getting that worked up over. I understand the base reasoning and agree that it is not logical as to total volume. I would just be thankful that you still have SW in your market and can get their good pricing on components locally. They went belly up here and I wish I had them back, warts and all. I would make a before and after lunch trip if I had too...wouldn't like it though.

Bob

New Mexico? EXTREMELY nice folks for the most part, and actually fairly intelligent when compared to some. Especially some in the South and Northeast....

Best gunshop I've EVER been inside (and I've been inside a LOT of 'em) was Ron Peterson's shop in Albuquerque on Central Avenue.

The stupidest people and the ugliest women I've ever seen were in Cleveland, OH. Some of those women were so ugly that just the sight of 'em would knock a buzzard off a gut-wagon, and whenever I'd say 'please' or 'thank you' the clerks would look at me like I was crazy!

I kinda wish I lived in New Mexico, when compared to some other areas....
Regards, Joe

Thanks for all the replies gentlemen.

I think this topic is worth talking more about. The analysis of the employees at the store and the population is generally correct but, like JD says, probably representative of any state like ours that is a welfare state.

The real problem here is the stupid policy.

If it's to stop "hoarding", it obviously fails miserably because of all the methods around it posted.

Next, the policy is like somthing staight out of Marx's ideology; rationing.

The purpose of my purchase was not to hoard but who cares if it was. Isn't the reason a business exists to produce a product, mark it up, and sell it at a profit? Why should they care or is it any of their concern WHO buys it and in what quantity? I should think they would be extatic if one person walked in and bought every bullet, primer, can of powder, piece of brass etc... in the store!

I have a business and would be thrilled if I sold all my stock every day to where I couldn't keep up with demand; it's the object of the game Man!

Anyone in business would classify this as anti-capitalist and anti-market oriented in its purpose.

quote:

Alright.

I just bought a nose and glasses and I'm going back in!

R

I'd pay good money to see that! thanks for the laugh!

One solution that has given me great personal satisfaction in the past is to talk to the highest-ranking person at the establishment, preferably the owner, and calmly explain just exactly WHY you will never trade there again and that you'll also encourage all your friends to shop somewhere else.

And then DO IT!

A letter to the editor of the local newspaper addressing the problem of hoarding, and the details of this particularly stupid method of dealing with it, may be satisfying to you and may be ultimately productive as well.

I also like the idea of marching back & forth in front of the store with a big sign explaining their stupidity. Reminds me of a local fellow who parked his new Chevy across the street from the dealership, after he had a big yellow LEMON painted on the quarter-panel!

The dealer was extremely irate, we onlookers were extremely amused, and the car's owner was ultimately extremely pleased when the dealer finally caved and fixed his car.
Regards, Joe

Maybe it's just the way they are! Here's my experience. Since sportsman's has moved into Arizona, I wanted to support them as much as possible, but, and now we have Bass Pro and Cabela's. I went to Sportsmans with my son last year to buy a new bass fishing outfit. I wanted a fairly expensive rod, and a good quality casting reel. We went to the fishing dept, where there were 6 or 8 employees having a discussion about who knows what, behind the counter. We walked up to the counter with a Fenwick Rod in hand, and stood there for 10 minutes being ignored by them all. I laid the rod against the counter, and one of them watched us walk out, and no one said a word. We went to Bass Pro, bought the outfit, saved some money, and was actually treated as if we were important customers.

Knuckleheads

Jerry

Some people do not have enough to do!

Please carry on!

quote:

Originally posted by Boss Hoss:
Some people do not have enough to do!

Please carry on!

And you're just watching!

quote:

Originally posted by wasbeeman:
Why are you heaping continuing scorn on a min wage clerk?? I mean you've made the point that you don't agree with their policy and you've done your best to make the clerk feel like a real jerk. Folks have told you a solution so what more do you want??
Instead of pissing and moaning in cyberspace, why not write a letter to the CEO with your beef. He's the one that can change things.

wasbeeman,
You obviously missed this post previously in the thread. Go back and read it...

quote:

Posted by me....

The point is that the people setting the policy are idiots, not the clerk.

Does this make sense to anyone that customers can buy 16#s of powder but buying 3#s is not allowed because it is considered hoarding?

quote:

Originally posted by rcamuglia:

quote:

Originally posted by Boss Hoss:
Some people do not have enough to do!

Please carry on!

And you're just watching!

Yes and btw I only buy in the larger containers----I use several powders in qty and when I work up a load I like to have enough powder and bullets to last the life of that tube.

Me too.

But I've got enough powder at my house that if a fire broke out, I'd come back home to a big crater in the ground....

RC, you are right and I apologize.
My problem is an ongoing one in that folks will come in a room and vilify a product or company in the loudest and shrillest voice possible. And it will go on for several pages. Then someone asks: "Have you called the provider?" or "what did the big dog say when you talked to him?" or "have you written a letter to the CEO?" and almost invaribly the answer is "No!" or "those jerks aren't gonna do anything."
Not to preach, but as reloaders/shooters/comsumers, the only way we're gonna get things changed is by selective phone calls TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE or, better yet, letters to the big dog.
While a department supervisor or store manager doesn't want anyone above him to know that everything is sweetness and light, if you send a letter to the top, there will be ripples all the way down.

Thanks wasbeeman,

I'll give it a try. It's nonsensical...

I would just come back in 20 minutes & hook up with another clerk. No need to argue, he's just following policy. It's like when your up for some TSA hassle, let them poke & prod some & be on your way.

I just finished submitting a letter to the website. Hopefully someone who matters will read it.

I went in today and bought the other 2 pounds. The same checker checked me out. He said he thought I'd be back for it. We had a good chuckle.

quote:

I would just come back in 20 minutes & hook up with another clerk. No need to argue, he's just following policy.

This is the point of the thread.

The policy is illogical. I can buy a limit of 2 containers, regardless of size. This means I can buy 2-8# containers (16#'s) or 2-1# containers (2#'s). The reason stated for the policy is to stop "Hoarding".

Therefore, buying 16#'s of powder is not hoarding, but buying 3#'s IS?....


The next point is that the policy doesn't stop a customer from buying 2#'s, going out to the car, then coming back in to buy 2 more....repeat.

I could buy all the powder they have with this method making the policy moot.

All the policy does is cause the customer an inconvenience, really F'ing pissing him off because to get what he wants he has to go through a whole bunch of F'ing Bullsh*t back and forth to the car or the next day to the SOB store to buy LESS Goddamn powder than the complete frigging idiot who made the stupid MutherF'ing rule allows!

Wheeew! There! I said it! How ya like them apples?!