Another poster who we all love and admire, but shall remain nameless (as he avoids the limelight) has indicated that he got rid of all his Alliant Reloader powders. Seems it didn't meet his standards. Although I load more Hodgdon powder than Alliant, if anyone here wants to get rid of their Alliant powder in the reloader series from 7 to 25, Please PM me, maybe I can help you out. Best GWB
PS It works for me, but I'm just a rookie meat hunter.
PPS: All groups were shot out of factory stock rifles except the 7stw. I've lightend triggers, free floated barrels but that's it. Here on the gulf coast, temps are usually between 80 & 100 degrees F and wind is usually 5 to 15 mph. Humidity is usually over 80%. In other words I'm usually sweating like a politician telling the truth when load testing. To date if I take note of book max loads and use common sense I've never had problems with Alliant powders in re: temperature sensitivity.
A few groups might better illustrate my point........
Posts: 23752 | Location: Pearland, Tx,, USA | Registered: 10 September 2001
I love the reloader series of powders. RL25 is one of the top performers in high capacity cartridges and RL19 is great in the 06 with 180's. The load for 308's is RL15. Will have to work with the chronograph and RL17 some more to form an opinion.
Blake
Posts: 132 | Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | Registered: 22 April 2006
I'd be lost without them, especially Re-15 and Re-22. Have used 'em for years with zero issues, and, like you noted, the heat and humidity in this part of the world can be grueling.
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Posts: 9493 | Location: Shiner TX USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
Me too!! With any of the 4350´s my absolute three favorites and most useful powders!!
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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek: I'd be lost without them, especially Re-15 and Re-22. Have used 'em for years with zero issues, and, like you noted, the heat and humidity in this part of the world can be grueling.
Where I live I'm right at the very far end of the supply chain plus my access to components is hampered by a range of gun laws designed to make gun ownership and reloading so difficult that we just give up on it. I only load for 308W and have rationalised on RL15 for all my loads as I was able to get a small supply (3lb) of it recently. Powder here is about $60 per pound.
The following 7 shot group (I had 7 rounds of the Sierra 165 grain gameking left with no prospect of getting any more Sierra bullets) was shot at 100m with a stock factory rifle. I used a bipod but no bags and the scope was a low light hunting scope with thick reticule. It is also the case that, being honest, I'm not a great shot so all the "enlargement" of the group must be down to me and not the load. You should note that after the third round I took the scope off the rifle, it is on QD mounts, and put it back on again.
I get similar results with 110 grain V-MAX and 150 grain Hornady Spire Points. It launches the Hornady Spire Points, my deer load, at approx 3000fps using a book load and with no signs of pressure and the cases reloaded about 7 times with tight primer seating.
So, you can say what you like about RL15 and I'm all for people having choice but I just can't see why I'd need another powder even if it was readily available to me.
RL-7: Delivers excellent accuracy in a 222 and a 22BR. RL-15: Cut my groups sizes in half with a 284 Win, from 3 shots into 3/4" at 100 yards, to 3 shots into 3/8" at 100. With 75 gn Hornady's in a 250AI, it is THE best powder, with 3 shots in 1/2" at 100. RL-22: Best for a 25-06, along with 7828 and H-4831SC, with heavy bullets.
I asked around on a new build what powders work the best and was told that if velocity was wanted, to try RL-17. I did, got great velocity, tight groups weren't there.
My gunsmith bore scoped the rifle as well and asked me how many rounds were down the tube. When I told him, he couldn't believe that with such few rounds down the bore, that it showed so much wear on the lands and throat erosion. The lands were rounded at the throat; not sharp.
A discussion ensued about the RL-line of powders and the fact that they give better velocity. They are high energy powders and to achieve higher velocities there is a trade off.... wear and erosion.
I switched to good ole Winchester 760. Got great groups and only lost 100 fps. It's tough to beat powders like Hodgdon's line. They've been around a long time for a reason; they work.
Despite seeing ALL the recommendations for using RL-15 as THE .416 Rem. powder, I was stubborn and tried everything I had on hand first. After some frustration I finally tried RL-15 and it cut the groups way down for every bullet I tried. I wasted way to much time and too many bullets trying other powders.
In both the .416 Rem & .375 H&H it seemed much easier to work up soft and solid loads to the same POI with RL-15 than the many other powders I tried.
I have been shooting the RL powders for years with absolutely no ill effects. RL-15 is my mainstay for .416 Rem, RL-17 is my new toy for my WSSM loads, RL-19 and RL-22 and RL-25 for everything. I shoot them from home too Alaska-Africa-Canada-Colorado from -22 in Canada to 100 degrees in Africa and they just keep trucking. Shoot correctly and you will have no problems with barrel erosion, meaning don't overheat the barrel with fast-large groups. Good shooting.
phurley
Posts: 2376 | Location: KY | Registered: 22 September 2004
My gunsmith bore scoped the rifle as well and asked me how many rounds were down the tube. When I told him, he couldn't believe that with such few rounds down the bore, that it showed so much wear on the lands and throat erosion. The lands were rounded at the throat; not sharp.
that's why I keep exta barrels in the safe.
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I don't know about you guys, but I have numerous rifles and am a low volume shooter. I'm reloading for something like 55 different center fire chamberings. I probaly kill 5 to 7 deer a year (we have exotics we can take any time of year), 20 to 50 hogs, dozen fox, half dozen coyotes, ravens, coons, etc. I typically pick out which rifles I'm going to hunt with and develop loads with different bullets and powders each year. Consequently some rifles don't get shot for a couple of years unless I'm load testing. I'm 58. Typically men in my family live to be 84 to 87 years old. So, say I put 25 rounds a year through a rifle each year,
Unless I become infirm, lose interest, or go nuts at the range, I should not put more than 750 rounds through any rifle I own, assuming I don't buy any thing new. How hot do you have to load a typical hunting round to burn up a barrel in under a thousand rounds. Like I said, I'm a hodgdon guy, but I don't mind taking my chances with Alliant powders. So my offer still stands, If you're worried about using Alliant powders, sent them to me, I might even be tempted to pay shipping if you invite me to hunt with you using the reloads from your powder. GWB
Posts: 23752 | Location: Pearland, Tx,, USA | Registered: 10 September 2001
I'll take any RL powders anyone wants to get rid of
These loads work in my rifles, start lower and work up in yours.
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I use r15 in my 223. I have used it in 308,22-250,303,257rbts. All with excellent results. When I get a new caliber the first thing I do is check and see if there is a r15 load workup for it.
this was shot at 100yds with a rossi single shot believe it or not.
Posts: 3 | Location: new york | Registered: 04 July 2010
If you're worried about using Alliant powders, sent them to me, I might even be tempted to pay shipping if you invite me to hunt with you using the reloads from your powder.
Geedubya, you drive a hard bargain! I use them all, with R15 and 19 my favorites. I have 4 or 5 pounds of the old Norma 205 I'll have to try in my 6.5 gibbs sometime. it likes R22, so would be interesting how the powder it replaced performs.
I dunno about "his standards" but Rldr-22 sure works for me in my .270 Win. and .338 mag. with 225 gr. NorthForks. I'll take what he doesn't want. Bear in Fairbanks
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Posts: 1544 | Location: Fairbanks, Ak., USA | Registered: 16 March 2002