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257 Roberts AI load; 110 AB, H414
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Anybody got a recipe for these components; 110 Nosler AB, H414. The Nosler manual seems very conservative at 47 grns W760 max.


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Sorry, what's a 25 Ackley Improved?
 
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Thanks Steve, 257 Roberts AI


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I also have some RL 19


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As a general rule when working up a load for an AI, I start at the max load for the standard cartridge. Depending on the cartridge the charge can be increased from 2-5%. If the load you are using from the Nosler manual is already for the AI version, that is the max load from their testing. If with that load you are in the 3000-3100fps range you are where you should be. You can maybe gain another 50-100fps by pushing pressures to the max, but why?
 
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Anybody got a recipe for these components; 110 Nosler AB, H414. The Nosler manual seems very conservative at 47 grns W760 max.


Nosler #6 and #7 list 45.5gr of 760 as Max for the 110gr Accubond in the 257 Roberts AI at 2981fps out of a 24 inch barrel.

Quickload has this load at 2956fps, 48,043psi. QL list the Max Average pressure at 51,488psi.

If you want more than that with 760 you will have to load to higher pressure than 51K.

What kind of rifle are you loading for and can it handle higher pressures? The 257 is one of those cartridges that runs at lower pressures due to some older weaker actions that can't handle the pressures of a modern bolt action.
 
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Steve,

it is a 1980's WIN FW, push feed, long action


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Steve,

it is a 1980's WIN FW, push feed, long action


Then I would bring it up to 62K psi.

Use at your own risk.

 Cartridge          : .257 Roberts Imp.
Bullet             : .257, 110, Nosler AccuBond 53742
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.775 inch or 70.49 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

155 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                          104.3     54.8     3.55    3290    99.5    62000   12913   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    106.0     54.6     3.54    3277    97.2    62000   13104   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                108.6     58.4     3.78    3267    98.0    62000   12857   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  108.4     58.3     3.78    3267    98.1    62000   12840   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    106.3     56.9     3.69    3262    95.7    62000   13113   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       104.5     54.1     3.50    3259    97.5    62000   12684   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       106.3     54.1     3.51    3254    98.7    62000   12662   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 106.3     54.1     3.51    3254    98.7    62000   12662   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       106.3     54.1     3.51    3254    98.7    62000   12662   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     109.1     54.4     3.52    3253    98.6    62000   12669   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        109.1     54.4     3.52    3253    98.6    62000   12669   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           110.0     53.8     3.49    3244    97.4    61092   12642   1.095  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        105.4     53.7     3.48    3242    97.4    62000   12548   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            93.6     49.5     3.21    3237   100.0    62000   11453   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  93.6     49.5     3.21    3237   100.0    62000   11453   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     105.8     58.0     3.76    3228    99.1    62000   12088   1.095  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        109.1     57.1     3.70    3225    97.6    62000   12357   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     55.1     3.57    3214    99.9    57223   12370   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      107.4     53.7     3.48    3214    97.0    62000   12276   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        102.3     51.2     3.32    3210    98.4    62000   11986   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 102.8     51.8     3.36    3207    98.5    62000   12054   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 95.2     51.1     3.31    3207    99.8    62000   11762   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      98.3     51.2     3.31    3205    99.8    62000   11744   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      92.9     49.5     3.21    3203    99.5    62000   11780   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        92.9     49.5     3.21    3203    99.5    62000   11780   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       100.2     50.2     3.25    3200   100.0    62000   10936   1.114  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         103.6     52.2     3.38    3199    98.5    62000   11963   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       108.9     55.9     3.62    3197    95.2    62000   12272   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           97.9     48.8     3.16    3186   100.0    62000   11273   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          97.9     48.8     3.16    3186   100.0    62000   11270   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     95.1     48.9     3.17    3185   100.0    62000   11405   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           97.5     50.7     3.29    3181    98.3    62000   11738   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          100.7     50.7     3.29    3181    98.3    62000   11738   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        100.7     50.7     3.29    3181    98.3    62000   11738   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       97.1     48.9     3.17    3181   100.0    62000   11249   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      108.1     52.9     3.43    3175    96.7    62000   11809   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   104.0     52.9     3.43    3175    96.7    62000   11809   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       103.0     52.5     3.40    3168    99.1    62000   11546   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           102.7     49.6     3.21    3166   100.0    62000   11028   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                   91.5     47.6     3.08    3164   100.0    62000   10850   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        98.3     50.3     3.26    3159    99.3    62000   11355   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      106.3     53.5     3.47    3156    99.8    62000   11257   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             101.3     53.8     3.49    3153    98.4    62000   11420   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    108.4     54.0     3.50    3150    98.9    62000   11250   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      101.5     50.4     3.27    3148    97.4    62000   11421   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          97.5     48.6     3.15    3144    99.5    62000   11181   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                100.5     49.0     3.17    3144   100.0    62000   10392   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      100.2     49.4     3.20    3142    99.1    62000   11134   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        90.4     46.5     3.02    3142   100.0    62000   10895   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            98.3     49.3     3.19    3142    99.2    62000   11115   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation        92.5     47.0     3.04    3139    99.6    62000   10855   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            91.1     45.1     2.92    3131   100.0    62000   10367   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       90.7     46.2     2.99    3130   100.0    62000   10481   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          90.7     46.2     2.99    3130   100.0    62000   10481   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    108.3     52.3     3.39    3128    97.4    62000   11197   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       92.8     46.2     3.00    3126   100.0    62000   10401   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      90.1     46.8     3.04    3125   100.0    62000   10614   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       95.3     47.1     3.05    3123    99.1    62000   10991   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          95.3     47.1     3.05    3123    99.1    62000   10991   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        92.3     47.1     3.05    3122    99.1    62000   10984   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        92.9     45.8     2.97    3121   100.0    62000   10409   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          96.4     47.5     3.08    3121    99.9    62000   10782   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     55.4     3.59    3119    96.2    52138   12692   1.190
Bofors RP30                        110.0     55.4     3.59    3119    96.2    52138   12692   1.190
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation        94.1     47.1     3.05    3114    99.9    62000   10576   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         91.7     44.8     2.90    3114   100.0    62000   10379   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      92.0     44.8     2.90    3114   100.0    62000   10379   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       100.3     53.8     3.49    3110    96.7    62000   11151   1.115  ! Near Maximum ! 
 
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