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<bigcountry>
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Guys, I have been storing my guns, primer, and powder in my browning safe. I was concerned about humidity so I bought a cheap little digital humidity gauge. For the past week, it is 33% and about 25% with a fireplace crankin. What is the ideal humidity and what level would you be start being concerned? Now in winter time, the whole house is dry but in the spring and summer, is when humidity goes up significantly.

I assume the dryer the better.

 
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Move the primers and powder OUT of that safe. Combustables should never be stored in a confined place (look at the powder storage directions which come with the Alliant or IMR handbooks).

As to humidity, anything under 50% relative is probably okay, although I'm a bit more comfortable with it being a little drier.

 
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Thanks for the info. As far as being confined, I am surprised. The reason, I put them there was the safe is fireproof (to an extent that it would be much cooler in the safe) and I thought that would be safer incase of a fire in stead of blowing half my upstairs apart in case of a fire. I will do some thinking on this.
 
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Bigcountry,
Unconfined gunpowder will burn rather vigorously but it will only burn. When confined its burning rate increases very rapidly, still burns, never "detonates" or "explodes" it just burns very fast. It would be ok in your safe until something reached a combustion temperature then you and anyone around like firemen might be in for a bad surprise. As long as your powder is unconfined you are good to go.
 
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Bigcountry,
Unconfined gunpowder will burn rather vigorously but it will only burn. When confined its burning rate increases very rapidly, still burns, never "detonates" or "explodes" it just burns very fast. It would be ok in your safe until something reached a combustion temperature then you and anyone around like firemen might be in for a bad surprise. As long as your powder is unconfined you are good to go.

I have been storing my powder in a cooler because I live in Texas where it gets a 100 during the summer. I would guess that the cooler lid would not be considered a confined environment nd would let the powder gasses expand. Is that OK?

 
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You might want to check with a local fire marshall/chief to find out what the local laws are concerning safe storage. They do vary from place to place. The most common one I've heard of is a wooden powder magazine with brass furniture. FWIW - Dan
 
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Most of the reloader guys around here store the powder and primers in an old non-working upright freezer. They are free, and have a lock on the door to keep children out, and have shelves, and generally don't look too bad out in the garage.
 
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I wouldn't contact any local fire offfical you might be in for a big surpize. Just store them in the orginal containers on a shelve where it is the coolest and dryest. The primers you might want to put them in a light air tight container nothing soild like a ammo box they blow really nice in one of them.
 
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P dog shooter, I agree, it would not be a good idea to contact the authorities about the umpteen pounds of powder and primers one has.

If you look at sporting goods stores, they store the stuff on shelves at room temps, out of the sunlight from windows.------Chainsaw

 
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Most of the reloader guys around here store the powder and primers in an old non-working upright freezer. They are free, and have a lock on the door to keep children out, and have shelves, and generally don't look too bad out in the garage.

i've been useing a fridge to store powder and primers for 24yrs
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Just to clarify, I wasn't proposing calling the authorities and saying "I'm Joe Blow Handloader, and i have umpteen kazillion pounds of powder and primers. Howzabout you come over and tell me it's ok? Oh, and bring those nice BATF fellas with you." Simply make a phone call requesting a copy of any local regs. After that, it's up to you. - Dan
 
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You know, I called my Allstate agent to ask about handloading in the house with primers, and powders stored in the house. They said it might void my insurance if the house caught fire. I remember buying the house signing something to that effect about storing explosives in a house. I am in between a rock and a hard place.
 
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Gun powder is not an explosive. AND what the insurance company doesn't know won't hurt them.

If you are really worried, do as others have stated, buy and old upright freezer that you can lock shut and put it in a little shed not connected to your house.

The freezer idea is more appealing from your safe. I have never taken an old freezer and deliberately set it up so I could find out what happens with 15 pounds of powder inside. I do believe with the rubber seals as flexible as they are the pressure would POOF out the seals whereas the safe might be much more violent. I think the freezers a good idea. Besides...who EVER steals freezers? An old freezer with a lock on it sez "Junk" written all over it.

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The old freezer with a lock, or any other "confining" place sounds a little problematic to me. I would recommend a wooden chest or cabinet of some kind placed inside the climate-controlled portion of your residence.

The problem with gunpowder is not that it is the source of a fire. The problem is that if it is ignited by a structure fire (or very rarely by static, which is why wood rather than metal for a storage cabinet), that it not be confined so that it causes a violent eruption of its confining vessel.

A locked freezer with 50 or 100 pounds of powder inside could erupt like a burning propane tank if the powder somehow ignited.

If you really want to do it right, construct a wooden box of the appropriate size from 3/4" plywood or OSB and line the inside with 5/8 inch firestop wall board (sheet rock). That's essentially the same thing that "fireproof" gun safes are lined with (and it costs about 5 bucks for the material that they charge you $400 extra for). You can even put a hasp and padlock on it if you want, just so it is still "flimsy" enough to come apart easily if the powder is ignited.

Also, I'd suggest placing smaller quantities of powder in several places rather than one big store in a single place. As someone pointed out, it just sits on shelves at the retailer, and does just fine.

Whatever you do, don't go asking your insurance company or fire marshal leading questions. It won't help you in pressing any future claim, and if you make enough noise about it, they'll prohibit keeping garden fertilizer in your garage. Smokeless powder is a class "c" explosive, making it generally exempt from everyday restrictions. Do us all a favor and leave well-enough alone. Realistically, the can of gasoline out back for your lawnmower is a much greater fire/explosion hazard that your entire stock of powder.

 
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