For 2 years now, no luck in finding any norma mrp in canada(not the mrp-1). I even spoke with norma company and the canadian distributers won,t stock the powder. With our laws no way to order from the states.So i am taking a chance if any canadians reading this post saw some or know where i can get some, help greatly appreciated.....

russianhunter- As far as I know it's not available in Canada and very expensive in the US, if you can find someone who carries it.
Reloder 22 (Alliant) is supposed to be near identical to Norma MRP. That's what I've been using since MRP has been discontinued.

Russ, Norma make's the powders for Reloader so Reloader 22 is the same as MRP
Reloader 19 '' '' '' '' Norma 204
Reloader 15 '' '' '' '' Norma 203

Regards Martin

Martin,

Thanks for the heads-up.

I have had a hell of a time getting MRP here in the States. My local dealers don't want to order it and I cannot blame them since I am apparently the only one asking.

Can listed MRP loads be converted directly to RL22? Working up, of course.

~Holmes

Hi guys!

Nice to hear that our Swedish stuff is popular so far from home

Actually Norma don�t make any powder at all. Norma buy the powder from Bofors. If I got all this rigth Bofors is also making the Reloader line of powders.

There is a line of Bofors powders to. Bofors RP 15 is equal to Norma MRP for ex. The bad thing is that Bofors stuff is classified as "war material" here in Sweden and a civilian can�t buy it.....

In norway on the other hand any handloader can walk into a store and buy it. It�s a lot cheaper than Norma powder to!

Good shooting!

Stefan.

MRP isnt discounted!

russianhunter, I would not consider RE 22 to be IDENTICAL to MRP. But, it is very similar. You CAN use MRP STARTING LOADS with RE 22 and work up from there. I use RE 22 in the 7X57mm Mauser case with 175-grain bullets with the same charge weight I used to use with MRP, and it gives the same velocity, BUT IT OCCUPIED MORE SPACE IN THE CASE than MRP did!! And, this relationship may not pertain in larger or smaller cartridges/bore sizes!! Each cartridge is potentially different!!

The mrp-1 is said to be the same as rel-22. but i am looking for the mrp. Which in my testing in my 300 ultra, and 180gr max loads the mrp is about 140fps faster than the rel-22. The only place i know of in the states is graf& sons has plenty. remember mrp and mrp-1 are not the same. find any on a shelf in canada let me know.....thanks

There was some discussion on these powders a couple or three months back. A gent from Europe informed me that they are not the same powders. In fact one make is a single base powder and the other make are all double base. Their performance and burning characteristics are similar but not necessarily identical. A bit of extra care and concern should be exercised when developing loads. One tech. suggested using the data for a slightly faster burning powder as a start point and working it up using usual pressure indicators. Worked fine and using a chronograph it was easy to establish the break point where velocity increase between incremental loads sharply decreased while pressure signs accelerated. The changes went like this :
xx grains =2900 fps
xx + 1 grain =2990 fps
xx+2 grains =3060 fps= normal extraction
xx+3 grains =3070 fps= tight extraction.
Loads were in a 7x61 using 160 gr. bullet and for the powder used indicated clearly where the efficiency lay and the excessive pressures started. Please note that the full 1 grain increments shown here (for brevity) are not necessarily the way to proceed and 1/2 grain or less may be the better way to proceed. At any rate I used the method to develop working level loads for Rl 19 and Rl 22 without any problems. They were not identical to manual loads using Norma powders but they were close.

Just remembered: I think the fellow from Europe who passed me the information was on this forum and he logged on as "Madd". If he's still cruising hereabouts he might have some further info.

I am not sure about the composition of MRP1 and MRP2, but am pretty certain that N200 to N205, and the original MRP which superceded N205, were ALL double-base powders.

A Square reloading manual,page 274:

For our European and African friends.who may have difficulty locating the various powders, there is an authorized substitution.
Reloader 22 is exactly the same thing as Norma-MRP.Reloader-19 is exactly the same thing as Norma-204. Reloader 15 is exactly the same thing as Norma-203.
These powders come from the exactly the same plant and are made at exactly the same time.
The powder from that plant is simply shipped to a different place and is put into a different consumer pack.

I load these powers as per Norma data one has to start 10% below max any way this worked out OK for me in my 340 7mm 338/378

Regards Martin

Did some checking www.norma.cc Norma web site list 2 MRP powders MRP and MRP-2 in the write up on MRP-2 excellent choice for overbore cal like 7mm STW 6.5-284.

In the loading data they provide this powder is not listed in the 6.5-284 (they list MRP instead) this is not unusual the data is always way behind but I bet my boots that MRP-2 is exactly the same as Reloader 25 the same powder that kicks but in my 338/378.

Martin

As was mentioned before, Grafs & Son in Mexico, MO. always have it in stock for $19.95/lb. http://www.grafs.com/
They list MRP and MRP-2. I haven't seen anything on a product listed as MRP-1.
I use MRP as my powder of choice in a .338 win and am working on loads for a .416 Dakota.