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My buddy purchased a Rem 700 in .223 that he would like for me to load for. I was really excited till I heard it was a 1:9 twist. Which, send me scrambling and looking for answers her at Accuratereloading. The purposes was to varmint with it and shoot 50g bullets. But being a 1:9 we are concerned that it will not shoot the 55g and below bullets with accuracy. I was wondering if any of you had tried this. Will it / could it shoot accurately with 55g bullets and below. If it won’t what powders work best with bullets in the 70g plus or minus 5 grains and what bullets have produced for you guys. I alos posted in varmint forum. Thanks | ||
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It will shoot 40 gn to some 75 gn just fine. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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If it's really 1 in 9" twist it will shoot 50 and 55s nicely.....but double check this as I was under the impression that Remington was at a 1-12" twist unless it's rebarreled.....Savage is 1-9" twist..... With the 1-9" twist you might blow up some of the very fragile pills like Sierra Blitz and Hornady's SX....but I was quite successful in shooting the 50 gr TNT in a Savage 1-9" gun I don't remember ever having trouble with 50 and 55 grain BTs either..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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My M700 was 1 in 14 and wouldn't shoot anything over 50gr. Put a 1 in 9 on it and now it shoots anything from 35 to 75gr. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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2hunt, you'll do just fine with the 1:9 twist. Centrifigal force won't shed jackets of light jacketed/light weight bullets. Not in the .223. While a 1:12 might have been a slightly better choice for super-light bullets, you'll be fine with you're 1:9. Try 52gr. BT or 53gr. FB Sierra Match Kings. I think you'll get good accuracy. | |||
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Had a Savage FP10 w/1:9 twist that shot cloverleaf groups w/55 gr. NBT's but same load w/52 gr. Sierra opened up to 1.5". Didn't try to develop a load for the 52's, so they might have done just fine with a little tweaking. Regards, hm 2 Chronicles 7:14: If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. | |||
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My 2006 vintage Rem700VSSF is 1:12" and it shoots anything I;ve tried up to 55gr. the only heavier bullets I've tried to feed it was a couple military SS109 spec rounds just to see how bad they were.... My rifle which is good enough with it's favorite 50gr Blitz King bullets/Benchmark load that at 100yards I can make smiley faces out of 1" target dots.... well with SS109's I'm pretty sure that a man sitting in a lawnchair would be completely safe. Infact 2 of 3 rounds would completely miss a Ford Explorer at 200yards, I don't know where all of the bullets go but I can guarantee you that of 20 rounds fired from my 1:12" twist Remington that NONE will land within a four FOOT radius of point of aim at 200yds. Switch back to 50gr varmint loads and I can hit a standing 20ga shotshell at the same distance with monotinous ease... Stick to 55's or lighter and it'll be fine. 45's or 50's loaded with benchmark will prove "fun" If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Thank guys; it always pays finding people with experience and learning from them. I will defiantly try the 50-50gs’ I have on hand. What powders would you guys recommend with those bullets? | |||
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Hodgdon Benchmark would be my first choice. | |||
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BL(C)-2 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Accurate 2230 As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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my R15 remington has a 1-9 twist and it shoots bullets from 40 gr thru 77 gr very well. it really likes bullets 55 gr -60 gr loaded with aa2230c 26 gr has worked for both loads | |||
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For 55 and under use H-335. For 69 and over use RL-15. My friend has a Rem 700 heavy varmint rig with a 1:12. It shoots 69 gn Sierra Matchkings just fine. Some newer Rem 700's have 1:9 twist. Key word is some. 1:12 is there standard. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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Allen, Here is a target from my 1 in 14 barrel with I think 60gr V-MAX at 50 yards. Do you think there was a stability problem?  I couldn't understand how I could completely miss a 4x4 sheet of plywood at 100 yards  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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+1 on the BL(c)-2 LTH. Don't be put off by the 1-9 twist. For most shooters it is a very good twist. The 1/9 twist was dreamed up by our German allies during the time that NATO was switching from the 55gr to a 62gr standard. It was their opinion that it would not be too fast for ther millions of rounds of 55gr ammo on hand, but it would still nicely stablkize the 62gr SS109. It's importatnt to remember the SS109 bullet is longer then a standard 62gr lead cup and core bullet, because of the lighter steel penetrator it in. With a 1/9 twist You can shoot up to 69gr bullets with confidence, and I've heard reports of bullets up to 77gr being stabalized in the 1/9. I've never tried the 77gr in my 1/9, but it shoots everything from 40-69gr bullets in nice little holes. I've had really good luck with: Nosler 40gr NBT Sierra 53gr Match Kings (best groups) 60gr Nosler partitions. 69gr Nosler CC's. | |||
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Not to change the subject---but I would think long and hard before I loaded ammunition for a friend. This can be one of the fastest ways to shed a friend other than going in partners on a boat. I have let a couple friends use my equipment to load their own rounds and offered hints and tips---any failures or problems were their own fault and no "misunderstandings" resulted. I have personal knowledge of "misunderstandings" that resulted from people I know trying to be good guys and loading for someone else. These along with horror stories told by others on this same subject. That being said--the 1/9 twist is the most versatile barrel for the .233 rem. I have talked to a lot of varmint shooters who have had excellent results with it using 45 to 70 gr. bullets. I like the 64 gr. Berger in my 1/9 varmint and the 69 gr. Lapua in my 1/9 AR. If the enemy is in range, so are you. - Infantry manual | |||
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 If you send me your E-Mail address I'll send you a substantial amount of load data and performance info. I use mainly a Savage 1-9 twist also.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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"Centrifigal force won't shed jackets of light jacketed/light weight bullets. Not in the .223." Oh yes they will. I have spun 50 gr Sierra Blitzes apart in 12" twist .223s (M700V and M70 XTR). Many lighter weight, thin jacketed "explosive" bullets like Hornady's SX and Sierra's Blitz's can indeed give problems in the 9" and faster .223 twists. Most of the more expensive ballsitic tipped 50 and 55 gr bullets do well in 9" twists. Suggest you go with those. Larry Gibson | |||
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My Remington VTR has a 1-9 twist and shoots 50 grain V Max bullets just fine. Also shoots the 60 grain V Max just as well. Molon Labe New account for Jacobite | |||
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 Evidently someone is showing he has not the 'expert' experience they are trying to pass off... if you don't think a Blitz or SPSX can't be vaporized in a one in 12, and especially a one in 9 twist 223 barrel, you evidently don't have any trigger time with that combo, or you'd know better than to try and dispute someone who actually knows what they are talking about... ya need to spend more time googling your response, before you put your foot in your mouth...  | |||
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Yup.....I've had both Sierra and Hornady light jacketed 50 grain bullets blow up with a 1-9" twist in a .223. He who says they won't is just plain wrong! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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