I will give all those inaccurate Rugers a decent home. I think $250.00 in the hand is better than life with a damned ole' Ruger. Let me know..........................JJ

Are you selling?

It would be to much of a hassle to get my Ruger to you in the US

No, out of the goodness of my heart I will pay 250.00 to ease the pain and suffering of all those poor Ruger owners and take the rifles off their hands.................JJ

JJ do you like them or dislike them or is it love hate?

JJ you might be stuck with to many M77 ss Rugers.....................enough to send you broke, I reckon some people get great Rugers, some get ordinairy ones, and others lie and say they have good ones

cal30 1906, I am a Ruger fan of long standing. Seriously, I have bought 3 Ruger rifles that previous owners said would not shoot. Two were made to shoot fine after some tweaking by myself. The third just would not shoot no matter what. I called Ruger and for a period of time Ruger outsourced their barrels. This rifle had one of those barrels, Ruger replaced it FOC and it now shoots a CONSISTANT 1.5 moa. I'll take that in a hunting rifle any day. BTW the first two 77's are SS . I just don't think Rugers are inaccurate at all. I even own stock in the company........................JJ

it is amazing how many people say thier Rugers arn't accurate and have never called Ruger to get them fixed. Ruger screwed up when they out sourced thier barrels, but screwed up worse for letting them get out. I think all Ruger people who have had a bad bad experience should join and get on thier ass about it big time! I own one Ruger MK 77 Mark 2 in .260. I have only shot a few factroy rounds through it, so can't tell what it will do as I get into it. But you can bet your sweet ass it it is as bad as some pepole say thier's is , Ruger will hear about it until it is fixed!.

Thanks for the offer but I already dumped my
#*%$# Rugers.

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Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
I will give all those inaccurate Rugers a decent home. I think $250.00 in the hand is better than life with a damned ole' Ruger. Let me know..........................JJ

Gee, I don't have any.... INACCURATE ONES, that is!

M77 roundtop, 7X57mm



No. 1A, 7X57mm



No. 3, .30/40



No. 1B 7mm Rem. Mag. (200 yards)

It seems to me that the majority of shitty Rugers are in there stainless synthetic models am I correct, they seem to be the culprits more than there other models ??

PC, how many "shitty" Rugers have you shot ? Not heard about but shot ?

Yes PC people lie about a lot of things. Like they can't shoot well enough to determine of its the rifle or them, and blame it on the rifle. Or they aren't knowledgeable enough to find the right load and blame it on the rifle. Or use the cheapest scope they can find, mount it improperly and blame the rifle. Or they are simple enough to blame it on a type of steel used in the rifle.

Good thing neither of us are like that, huh..................JJ

JJ,

If you get overrun with homeless Rugers, I'll be more than happy to take a couple in.

Roger that Paladin, we could start a home for unwanted and unloved Rugers. Get a federal grant, build a re-hab center. Find them good homes (in our safes).

Blob1, the barrel issue was resolved in 1979. From that date on Ruger has made their own barrels.

As far as new rifles go I would match 25 new out of the box Rugers aganist any other 25 new out of the rifles from any of the major gun makers. They would all be pretty much the same, in my opinion the Rugers would be better..............JJ

And Rugers have a 1 piece bolt..I have seen a broken bolt handle on a Rem.

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Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
PC, how many "shitty" Rugers have you shot ? Not heard about but shot ?

Yes PC people lie about a lot of things. Like they can't shoot well enough to determine of its the rifle or them, and blame it on the rifle. Or they aren't knowledgeable enough to find the right load and blame it on the rifle. Or use the cheapest scope they can find, mount it improperly and blame the rifle. Or they are simple enough to blame it on a type of steel used in the rifle.

Good thing neither of us are like that, huh..................JJ

Are you insinuating that I bull shit or have a lack of knowledge

I dont give a flying fuck about anyone elses Ruger other than my own and it does not suit my requirements and certainly does not perform as well as my cz's or rem period. I am just enquiring as to wether most of the complaints people have of Rugers come from the stainless synthetic models. In my TWO cases it has, my best friend also has a Ruger 30/06 and it's an average shooter as well, his marlins, rems & cz's seem to shoot better. Another Ruger he owns is a.22 magnum stainless rimfire and it is the biggest pile of shit I ever encountered, you may as well throw the rifle at your target. The only Rugers IN MY EXPERIENCE that shoot good are those that are written about here on AR in response to shitty ruger threads I would love to have gotton one of those Rugers and I would not be posting this.

Also in Australia we get the chance to shoot quite a few head of game and funnily enough I get less misses with my cz's, rem and even my Marlin 45/70 which is a lever action and should be less accurate than the Ruger 30/06.


As for my experiences with Rugers thus far;


I have had two Rugers in ss one in .222 and the one I still have in 30/06. The .222 got sold for a rem 22/2250 and it shoots much better than the Ruger, the 30/06 is okay but it does not set the world on fire. It does not even come close accuracy wise to my cz's in 9.3x62, .375, .416, .458 lott or Marlin 45/70. I do not expect it to compete against a rem 700 in 22/250.

So in a nut shell I want to palm off my Ruger because it does not perform as well as other brands that I shoot.

So I am glad that you like your Rugers, hey whatever chokes your bishop makes me happy , I am glad you also have the time and intellectually superior ability to "Work out loads" that your Rugers like.

Being un-educated and the like................ I will take the lazy option out and ignorantly trade my Ruger stainless synthetic which could be fantastic shooter.................ahh well one mans trash is anothers treasure as they say

All in good fun JJ

PC, don't suger coat it. Tell me how you really feel ...........................JJ

I haven't found Rugers to be garbage rifles at all.
I own quite a few of them. Several were finicky but with certain powders they do great.... I have had the same experience with Winchester, and Remingtons also....

I think if someone wants and 'accurate' rifle then if the one he gets from the factory doesn't, he shouldn't be surprised... they are made for the masses....

Spin the barrel off and get an after market barrel, custom chambered.... It may cost more but you have to put a dollar value on your frustrations also

I do wonder tho if some of the manufacturers also have a habit of shipping the rifles that scored less on the quality control overseas, so it decreases the chance of having to get them back....

I maintain all of the manufacturers dump their less than perfect rifles during quality inspections on the likes of WalMart and KMart...
Morre profitable than scrapping them...

cheers
seafire

Guys:

Just to add fuel to the fire, every Ruger rifle that I, my family or friends own, are good shooters. Except, the 22 Hornet! Most Hornets don't shoot anyway, unless they are played with and properly loaded.

I own a 22 Swift, with a Ruger factory heavy barrel 26" long. Shoots 3 shot one whole groups everytime I shoot it. Most accurate rifle I own, and I own a mess of customs too!

Jerry

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Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
PC, don't suger coat it. Tell me how you really feel ...........................JJ

JJ I just got a little excited no malice intended

I do understand that there are some good Rugers out there.

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Originally posted by ELKMAN2:
And Rugers have a 1 piece bolt..I have seen a broken bolt handle on a Rem.

Been there, seen that. Not called Crapington for no reason.

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I do wonder tho if some of the manufacturers also have a habit of shipping the rifles that scored less on the quality control overseas, so it decreases the chance of having to get them back....

Sea fire I totally support what your saying, I think the Tyranny of distance lends for a lot of rubbish to be sent down under !!

Also funny about the Ruger .22 Hornets I wanted one as they looked way cooler than my cz 527 but my gun dealer talked me into a cz as he had sold two that the ownders could only get around 2" at 50 yards !! They then proceeded for bedding trigger jobs and trying heaps of different loads. Agreed .22 Hornets can be finnicky it took a couple of different types of powder and bullet combo's until finally I changed primeres to rem 7 1/2's and now my cz shoots great.

JJ, I have a M77 in .358 I'll part with but it's going to take a fair bit more than $250.00. Want to make an offer? New condition, will shoot sub MOA with selected loads consistently. Will shoot 225 Partitions, Ballistic Tips and Hornady 250 Spitzer IL 1.5" or less for 3 shots, rested. No scope, no sling. It copper fouls a bit.

HEY DAN I KNOW SOMEONE WHO COLLECTS THEM. WHAT HIS NUMBER.

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Originally posted by DigitalDan:
JJ, I have a M77 in .358 I'll part with but it's going to take a fair bit more than $250.00. Want to make an offer? New condition, will shoot sub MOA with selected loads consistently. Will shoot 225 Partitions, Ballistic Tips and Hornady 250 Spitzer IL 1.5" or less for 3 shots, rested. No scope, no sling. It copper fouls a bit.

Dan, could you part with the data on what you're using with the 250 gr. Hornadys?
Thanks,
Paul B.

Hey PC,

whatcha got, and how much do you want for 'em... I might be interested.

Never had prob with Rugers over the last 25 odd years... hehe! you haven't been tightening up ALL the bedding screws have you?

http://stevespages.com/targets.html

Several pictures of how poorly Rugers shoot.

I'll buy any Ruger 77R that is ANIB.

I've just purchase a new M77 all weather, stainless 270 WSM. I've only ran 14 rounds of factory Winchester 150gr soft points through it to date because I'm mainly a handgun shooter. Shoulder got real tender. I rarely shoot shoulder arms. It looks to be about 1" at 100yds so far. It's just a bit early yet but it looks good. I'm going out again this Saturday to shoot some more. I have a M77 in 22-250 I bought in the mid 70's. Safety is top tang. I get sub 2" groups from it. Light sporter barrel. I like the feel as well. I also use Ruger handguns.

True story.

A friend of mine once bought a nice M77 in .270, put a real expensive scope on it, and couldn't get the dang thing to group tighter than 2.5".

At the same time, I bought a Savage .308, and started shooting just over 1" groups literally out of the box (he was then kind enough to inform me about barrel break in and such things).

Point is, I have seen expensive guns that can't shoot a milk jug at 50 yards and cheap guns that are pretty good. It is the luck of the draw.

Blaser93, I'm not desperate to sell it but if your friend wants to talk it over give him my email, it's in my profile.

PaulB, don't mind at all:

Hornady 250 Spitzer-IL
2.91 OAL
Fed 210 Primers
WW brass
No crimp, neck tension approx. .002-.003"

BLC-2 49.0 grains 2165 fps, best group .71"
H335 48.0 gr., 2329 fps/ avg. 1.5"
IMR4895 47.0 gr. 2243 fps/ best group .62"
WW748 48.0 gr. 2202 fps/ avg 1.18"
RX12 48.0 gr. 2324 fps/ Best group .683"

ES for above loads ran from mid teens to mid twenties. Data gleaned from many sources, none newer than 5 years.

MAX loads, reduce 10% and work up please; my rifle has a somewhat generous chamber size and a tight bore. Your mileage may vary.

Ruger User,

I have a canoe paddle stainless 30/06, I also have dies 85 rounds of loaded ammo (56 gr of 2209 above a speer 180 gr Round Nose) 130 odd cases if I recall correctly and 50 or so projectiles and a set of rcbs dies. The rifle would not include the scope but would include the ruger mounts. The whole kit is yours for $700.00

I have had the trigger done and have also had the Uncle Mikes sling swivel kit fitted to rid it of those jingly wire loops that used to be the sling attachements when I first bought it.

Let us know what you think.

You can have my #1... when you pry it from my cold, dead hands

My #1 Tropical shoots very well - about MOA (not bad for a .458).

I'm sure there are accurate Ruger rifles, and I'm damn sure there are some real stinkers out there. It's only been fairly recently that Ruger has been making their own barrels. When I was younger Ruger was often referred to as "the home of the $12.95 barrel." That kind of tag is awfully hard to live down. I think Ruger has improved their accuracy lately, but they still have a ways to go. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal