No not our fellow poster HC, though he might be claimed responsable for their so-so rep and coming demise

The latest issue of Sooting Times has an artical stating Speer is replacing the HotCor line with a new bonded bullet line based on their "fusion" plating process. Think Gold Dot? The new bullet will be called the "Deep Curl" - thinkin` of changing your name too HC? The old HotCor name is going to be with us no longer.

I posted this on another forum and the few who have shot this bullet reported the bullets tested to date have been more accurate, expand to a larger diameter and hold their wt very well compared to the older http://www.24hourcampfire.com/...Hot_Core#Post3427308
Prices are claimed to be in line with todays HC when they are introduced.
I normally oh-hum at a new premium bullet introduction. I don`t shoot big wizzum mags and have never took a shot at an animal I felt a bullet other then a Partition was needed but, I for one am interested in shooting a few boxes of these when they hit the stores. They sound like a excellent new choice for my type/style hunting and shooting.

Sure, it will be the same price.....If you believe that one you will believe that their Fusion ammo is already the same price from Federal. It's just another money making scheme, which is fine since that's what they are in business for. I think they would be better off making a "lead-free" bullet as that is where the industry is going, like it or not. Another type of fusion leaded bullet is just so "last decade", especially with a pussy name like that. I can think of Cor-lokt Ultra, right off the top.

Tha animals aren't getting any tougher to need it.

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I think they would be better off making a "lead-free" bullet as that is where the industry is going, like it or not.

I believe that to be true, and that we'll see lead bullets pushed out of the marketplace within the next decade or so. If I was putting my money on a bulletmaker, I'd be looking at those who master the no-lead market.

When I first read the opening line I thought we had lost our Ricochet 22 Hornet Blue Dot Rifleman!!!!

Thank goodness he is still with us.

Is this going to be the same bullet Federal offers in their Fusion factory ammo?? If yes, and if Speer makes the bullet available for reloading, I'll likely buy some. Federal Fusion ammo is (in spite of its modest cost) normally very accurate stuff.

(Do Federal and Speer share ownership in one way or another??).

- mike

ATK owns Federal and Speer. If I remember right they also own CCI and Lake City.

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Originally posted by mho:
Is this going to be the same bullet Federal offers in their Fusion factory ammo?? If yes, and if Speer makes the bullet available for reloading, I'll likely buy some. Federal Fusion ammo is (in spite of its modest cost) normally very accurate stuff.

(Do Federal and Speer share ownership in one way or another??).

- mike

This is not the Fusion according to the artical, although it is a related process used in its making. ATK owns CCI-Speer, Federal, Alliant, Weaver and a few other companies.

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If I remember right they also own CCI and Lake City.

they own the contract to run the federally-owned lake city plant, but the plant belongs to the feds.

Thanks Guys, one picks up stuff all the time here on AR
- mike

Well heck! I like the Speer Hotcor line of bullets. I still think their 150 30 caliber bullet is one of the best deer bullets out there and they always held together well. However when the new bullets come out I will try them. Unlike Barnes who killed my interest in their products by having customers do their product testing at our own expense on generations of X bullets the Speer bullets have always worked for me.

I sincerely hope they retain the non hot core boat tail range! Any knowledge on that?

I also hope that the weight range isn't curtailed.

I liked the fact that their heavy bullets didn't have cannelures - will that feature be kept?

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Originally posted by 1894mk2:
I sincerely hope they retain the non hot core boat tail range! Any knowledge on that?

I also hope that the weight range isn't curtailed.

I liked the fact that their heavy bullets didn't have cannelures - will that feature be kept?

None of the boat tail bullets are "Hot Cores", the HCs are are all flat-base design. The story I got was only the hot core line was being affected.

Back at the turn of the century a group of guys used to hang out together and share ideas. Bell, Howell, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, John Patterson and I can't remember the other 2-3. Patterson ran NCR and while on a camping trip with all the rest discussed Mechanical Cash Registers. Either Ford or Edison mentioned the then "new" electric starter Edison designed for Ford, as a possibility to cycle the Cash Registers. And so it came to pass.

Back then NCR had HUGE massive buildings in Dayton, OH that filled entire Blocks and were 4 stories tall. On the cornerstone of one building was inscribed, "We Progress Through Change".
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Same is true today. Perhaps the Very Best Deer Bullet ever manufactured is/was the 30cal 165gr RN Hot-Cor. Last time I checked(20 years ago) there were over 100K in On-Hand Inventory at Speer, but none of the Wholesalers would buy them. Had to be "Sleek", with a higher B.C., whether it was needed or not. Don't know what ever happened to them.
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The "New to be" replacement for the Hot-Cor concerns me because I do not believe it is possible to Plate-On a Jacket with a varying thickness.

I've used the 22cal 50gr PLHP(Plated Hollow Point) Rem for a very long time. Super Accurate for the inexpensive cost, generally doubles in Diameter and hangs together well. However, the Doubles-in-Diameter is not always a good thing when it comes to On-Game performance - less chance of an Exit.

So, only time will tell if Speer has Progressed with the new Plated-On Hot-Cor replacement. I hope they don't go through the same fiasco that the Barnes XXX Bullets went through before being discontinued.

HC I`ve a good feeling about this new bullet. The Federal "Fusion" is constructed with a similar process by Speer for Federal and I`ve yet to hear bad about it as far as accuracy and performance on deer.
This bullet (Deep Curl) isn`t intended for moose or big bear, Speer has the Trophy Bonded that covers them, or the Mag Tip that is now called the Grandslam. The new bullet is designed for medium size game and expands very well while holding a great percentage of its original wgt. There is a thread on the campfire that has a couple writers who have seen this bullet claim they have good hopes for it so far.

The bullet industry today is filling every nitch it can find, and manufactures like Speer, Hornady, and Nosler now have bullets strictly designed for target, med size game, big game, with bonded cores, monometal constrution, ect.
It is now getting to the point you pick your bullet for the job at hand and can expect it to perform exactly as desired.
This is a big improvement over bullets 30 yrs ago when you grabbed a box or two of some makers various wgt soft points and hoped they worked OK on your deer hunt, plus were tough enough to also drop the moose you had a coming up once-in-a-life time hunt for.

Time will tell..............

BTW the well acclaimed Speer Gold Dot is also construted by plating the jacket on. I think Speer is way ahead of the curve in this type of constrution process.

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Originally posted by Ol` Joe:
There is a thread on the campfire that has a couple writers who have seen this bullet claim they have good hopes for it so far.

BTW the well acclaimed Speer Gold Dot is also construted by plating the jacket on. I think Speer is way ahead of the curve in this type of constrution process.

Hey Ol' Joe, I've had links sent to me in the past years concerning things those "writers" have said. So far, I'm not impressed at all with anything any of them has posted that I've read.

I'd much prefer to hear how someone (that I've followed in his posts right here at AR) rates their performance on-game. If you get a chance to use any of the new style, I'd be interested in hearing about it. But no thanks on the 24hour "writers".

Good point about the Gold Dots. Same with the Rem PLHPs. Both have a good bit of experience already Plating the Copper on.

crap... pretty sure that will effect the 250gr .358s I shoot.

I don't think they are labeled as "hot core" but I'm pretty sure they are the same thing..

GAH!

Hey Dark Helmet, There should be plenty of the old Hot-Cor style still on the shelves. You can buy 5-10 boxes and have your Hunting needs fixed for a long time.
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By the way, Ol` Joe mentioned the Speer Mag Tip above. It is one of the Best "secret" Bullets on the market for people hunting BIG Game that like to take shoulder shots. And they still come 100/box, but not in many calibers or weights. They do not have a Plastic Tip which will make some who don't understand Bullets and how close Game is routinely Killed. But they do something we desire the most, adequate "controlled" expansion, deep penetrating Exits, at a relatively inexpensive amount(cents/bullet).

You can buy a whole lot more expensive Bullet, they real question is if a person actually gains anything by doing so.