I'm looking for data using Reloader 22 and 19 for this caliber. Anybody played with htese at all? Thanx, stocker.

For a reliable load with good velocity I always use imr powders. For my wildcats and improved cartridges I use a Powley computer or a internet site such as Load Base or software with a internal program. Some of the softwares do include other powders.

Since each rifle, even of the same caliber, is different and with the mention of the Reloader powders it seems you are interested in the maximum velocity at max safe working pressure. I think that you are going to have to work up the loads yourself anyway for your rifle. This will require the use of a chrongraph and case expansion measurment. You might want to look at the "Ladder Technique" for load development also.

I recall from articles from long ago when Phil Sharpe was promoting his cartridge that the loads suggested were very hot in particular for the S&L rear locking lug action that he used. That case has some taper to it and it's no 7 mm Mashburn.

That does not mean that you should not try to get the most out of it. Good luck.

Don: No I'm not interested in max velocity at all. Intend to load this rifle below factory levels . Yesterday shooting Norma 160 grain Factory loads I noted ejector imprint and sticky bolt lift. That load was hot. Factory 154 were fine. What I'm looking for is maximum flexibility in searching for accurate loads. Powder choices in this town are restricted and IMR and Reloader happen to be available. This Schultz was in unfired condition (actually 4 shots through it) when I bought it last week. Model M68DL with a Bausch & Lombe on it. Will probably use IMR most frequently. After getting the scope dialed in the rifle printed 3 factory 160's in 7/8". It's going to be a long term keeper. I'll be using a chrony to develop loads along with all the proper pressure indication examinations.

besto, stocker.

I would go from the Norma loads with MRP.
MRP has a burning rate simular to RL 22.

It's a great caliber and a wonderfull rifle you have!

Regards

Mads

Mads: I've looked at the burn rate comparisons of MRP/Rl 22 and N204/Rl 19. Even queried Alliant and received a polite but cautious response as they have not worked anything up forthis cartridge either. I had hoped some one had gone this route before and might have some data available. Doesn't look like it. Nothing to do but proceed from the bottom and see. This is a very nice rifle indeed. I was fortunate to obtain it. Good workmanship throughout. Thanks .

I, as well have a 7x61, except mine is on a Browning Safari Grade Rifle. It is a real Keeper as well and it will handle stifferloads than your S&L because of rear locking bolt. IMR 4831 has worked well,68 gr is an excellent load for 160 gr Partitions but you will have to drop 5 and work up. I find it prefers heavier bullets. A super cartridge and wish I could help you with RE powders.

BR

I've used Norma data with RL powders before. One or two of the gunwriters have stated that they are the same powders. I don't know about that, but if you start at the bottom and work up you can usually go with the MRP=205=RL22 and 204 = RL19 and 203 = RL15. It's just a rough gauge, but it's always worked for me so far. FWIW - Dan

Dan: I've seen posts that say the two brands have identical powders. One post said the A-square manual which I haven't got stated this. I also saw a post where the writer appeared to know exactly what he was talking about and he stated that one is a single base and the other make is double base. He claimed to have gotten significant velocity differences (higher)with the Reloader powder with equal weight loads. That may or may not equate to higher peak pressures, it may be the result of longer sustained pressure.
Curiosity got the better of me and have been trying to find out the truth of the matter.
At this point it's no big problem as I'm still waiting for dies to arrive and am on the scrounge for more brass - you know the drill. Rifle came with 56 rounds and would like to have another 60-100. That would last a while in the event it becomes unavailable.
Last option would be reforming from other mag. cases (which would mean having to work up data again if capacity was much different) or rechambering to 7 Rem. Mag and don't really want to do the latter. Thanks for the input.

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Battle: Well I really don't think the Schultz gives up much or anything to a 98 for actual strength. The design allows different things to occur though. Waters used a 98 for his load development that didn't have freebore and had to back off considerably. Is yours freebored? The 160 Norma factory (nearly 30 years old)left an ejector imprint which indicates pressures higher than I prefer. A friends 338 Lapua does the same in his Sako action . I tend to think that some manufacturers in Europe load to the max. because they are certain there are no weak actions involved. I don't know how many Europeans are involved in reloading but most of us want our brass to last and last (especially the expensive types such as 7x61). I'll be throttling back a bit to accomplish that. Thanks for response.

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stocker

Stocker: The guy who stated that Norma powders are single base and Allinat Reloaders i double base - is a clever guy! Any change that he was called Mads?

BR: Well often you hear that the older Schultz and Larsen actions isn't up to so much preassure because of the locks on the rear. To me thats crap! The Schultz and Larsen actions are every bit as strong as any mauser action! Some test even indicates that they are stronger! Why did R. Weatherby choose the S&L action for his first rifle production?

Regards

Mads

Mads: It may well have been you: I can't locate the post again. I think it was in this site somewhere but search as I may I can't locate it again.
A tech at Sierra Bullets gave me some good methodology for developing loads for the Reloader 19 today using minimum IMR 4831 as a base for starter loads and then to continue load development for Reloader 22 starting where the 19 peaked out. Reloader 19 is one notch faster than the IMR so max loads should be marginally less with the Re 19. The Norma powders could also be used as a comparitive. Can you get unfired brass for this caliber in Denmark? Doesn't seem to be available over here. I agree that the S&L is one very strong action. Front lockers can see a bit of setback over time with very heavy loads but I see that as a matter of design rather than strength. Best regards

BR: Well often you hear that the older Schultz and Larsen actions isn't up to so much preassure because of the locks on the rear. To me thats crap! The Schultz and Larsen actions are every bit as strong as any mauser action! Some test even indicates that they are stronger! Why did R. Weatherby choose the S&L action for his first rifle production?

Regards

Mads

Hey,thats fine with me!! S&L are fine guns. All I know is my 7x61 is a real keeper, sounds like the Danes are too. Stocker-FYI, I do not have any original 7x61 brass, I reformed some 264 mag Herters brass I had and have had 0 problems. My rifle is freebored, which lets me seat those 160's to the case neck and develop these warm loads.

BR

Battle: I'm sitting on 250 once fired 338 WM. May end up with a set of forming dies anyhow just to make use of these. I meant to ask if your Browning is factory barreled or a gunsmith job? I can't recall ever seeing a Browning in that Cal. but of course that doesn't mean they weren't made. I'm surprised this cartridge didn't hang on despite the other 7 mags. It is remarkably efficient in terms of powder volume for performance. Suspect the cost of the rifles that it came in had much to do with it initially. Then came the big North American names who like to have proprietary cartridges. Oh well, you and I are shooting something a little different. Now where is New Norway in Alta? I've spent a lot of time hunting birds out there but can't recall coming across it. Mind you the old noggin is getting a bit soft. My bird haunts were in the Hines Creek, Grande Prairie, Peace River,Fahler, McLennan, Dapp areas, a couple of spots out towards Provost. Used to chase pheasants in Brooks and area. Got tired of the crowd there. Lived in FSJ for years and went across the line to get away from the phone, visit family. besto.

Stocker: Yes new Norma brass is available here in Denmark for appr. 1�$ a piece! Factory ammo is also still on the shelf!

BR: It wasn't meant as an attack on you, only that the statement, doesn't proof right in reality!

Regards

Mads

Stock- My rifle has been rebarrelled from another caliber, The metal was done well but I still have the gap where the barrel step used to be. I bought it as is at a gun show with a decent weaver for 400$. The stock had a horrible finish and had been used hard by a neat old hunter who had taken a pile of game with it. I refinished it with tung oil and now have a Bushnell elite glass on the leupold mounts. I finally found a die at CH-4D for 85$
FYI- NN is 60 miles south of Edmonton, and Ive been to all the places you mentioned.
Mads-not to worry, I have a Dane hunting buddy that makes a living out of "correcting" everything I say,

BR