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Have any of you tried the Game King HPBTs on Game? Have any of you tried the Match Kings on Game? Are the Match Kings the same (softness wise) as the GK HPBTs? Is the performance of the two about the same as the Game King SPs? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks and God Bless! Reloader | ||
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This question historically stirs the masses... The Sierra BTs are not particularly good game bullets IMO. I used them for years, prior to the premium bullets, never again..I have seen too many failures and near failures with them.. A premium or even a simi premium like a Hornady interlock is far superior to any Sierra bullet IMO. Sierra bullet are extremely accurate and they are good varmint bullets. I use them in my 222 and 6x45 for Rock Chucks... | |||
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I've had the opposite experience with Sierra BT bullets.I use a 200 grain GK BT in my .300 Win and have never had a failure or lost any game using it.I've used this bullet to harvest goats,bears,caribou,elk and lots(LOTS)of moose.The majority of the time the result has been one shot,drop on the spot kills.The only time that I've had to track animals was when I've made a poor shot(which does happen occasionally). No,I must admit that I've never recovered a perfectly mushroomed bullet from any game but the fact that I was able to recover the bullet(or pieces thereof) tells you that the bullet did its job. If you place your bullet correctly,any bullet designed for the application will do its job.Incorrectly placed,even the premiums will let you down. Now I can't hope to match the hunting experiences of Mr Atkinson,although I wish I could,and I don't want to disagree with his findings because I'm sure that they are based on fact so I'm only stating my personel opinion(as well as that off my two partners who also use the Sierra BT in their 7mm's)and have found the Sierra to be an excellant big game bullet.Good enough in fact,that the box of Swift A-Frames that I have on my loading bench remains unopened. And yes,this question does stir the masses.It could become a very long thread.  Dave | |||
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Go to www.Longrangehunting.com and ask the same question, Matchkings are the hot ticket over there, and on my next deer hunting trip MKs will be my bullet of choice, shot my own water-filled milk jugs, and love what they do to them, recovered weight from 7mm 150MK(7mm08)@100yds. was 34.5grs., penetrated 3+ jugs. Would like to test some 150gr. 308 Gamekings also, and 7mm 150gr. BalTips to note any difference, I'm expecting about the same weight retention out of them though. Jay | |||
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I've long been an opponent of using Matchkings for Big Game Hunting because of the design and intended use,however it does seem that more and more guys are using them successfully to take deer sized big game.I may have to rethink my stand on this.I DO NOT,however,believe that MK's are adequete for the larger species of Big Game(Elk,Moose,big bears,etc.)Stick with the Game Kings for them. Dave | |||
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Here we go again! Just for the record I use the following, and have NEVER failed to take the intended game with one shot. In other words, I have never had a bullet "fail". .22-250 Sierra 52 grain HPBT .243 Winchester Sierra 85 grain HPBT 6mm Remington 85 Sierra grain HPBT .25-06 120 grain Sierra HPBT .264 Winchester 140 grain Sierra HPBT .270 Winchester 135 grain Sierra HPBT 7mm Remington Magnum 168 grain Sierra HPBT .30-06 Springfield 168 grain Sierra HPBT and 180 grain Sierra HPBT .300 Winchester Magnum 200 grain Sierra HPBT And the game ranged from prairie dogs to elk at ranges from 35 feet to 725 yards. | |||
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FWIW: Sierra says that the HPBT GameKings are a tougher bullet than the SBT GameKings. And they strongly recommend that MK's not be used for hunting. | |||
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Quote: But yet they(Sierra techs)know that the fellas over at www.Longrangehunting.com are getting oneshot kills with them, out to 1500yds. at that. If word got out that the Mks did so well on game nobody would buy the gamekings any longer. Jay | |||
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I use a lot of the Sierra Match HP bullets in .224. My understanding is that they are not recommended by Sierra as game bullets. The Gameking HP bullet is supposed to be very good for hunting purposes. It works well for me and others I know. I always have a lot of Matchkings on hand and occasionally will load up a batch to use on woodchuck. Mostly I get good clean kills, but the odd time I'll strike bone and turn that woodchuck completely inside out. It can indeed make a mess of an animal. Best wishes. Cal - Montreal | |||
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To spare the suffering, type in matchking in the search directory and search for the past 4 years in all subjects, and you will come across the LOOOOOOOOOONG thread titled "Matchkings....not a hunting bullet". You'll find all your answers there. I did read through all of them. Because of Steve's comments as well as pretty much ALL the people that have used them for hunting, I load 200 gr SMK for my 300WM and nothing else. I am more confident with this bullet due to the accuracy of it. I practice more since I am getting great groups (.3 to .5MOA) with them and know now I can hit the vitals out to reasonable distances. My kills will be a lot cleaner due to this. | |||
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Here is a link some of you may find interesting: www.seahook.com/bestbullet.jpg No need for a lot of arguing when you can see the results of an excellent Test. Mr. Sciuchetti still has some of the large prints available for $15 which includes Shipping. He can be reached at gsciuchetti@yahoo.com | |||
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Quote: From the military forum. Seems the Russians have developed quite a reputation for tissue trauma with their 5.45mm MATCHKING! Personally, I would not use a MK smaller than 0.308" for hunting. Nor I would I use this 0.308" MK for anything larger than 300 pounds. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: ------------------------------------------------------- When I posted a link to the above test at Long Range Hunting Mr King answered that he would have to look for his samples and notes of MK results. Nothing further was heard from him. | |||
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long range hunting is a decided misnomer. At best its shooting; at worst sniping. Now, quickly, some wannabe jump in with a flame about: "just cause you can't doesn't mean I can't. Neener, neener, neener." When you strip away all the hype, its just another dick measuring contest. As far as the MK's are concerned, I would imagine if you hit a average sized deer with a 175gr just about anything at 2000-3000fps, you're gonna kill it. Assuming a decent hit. However, the question begs to be asked, with so many high-quality, accurate, hunting bullets to choose from that have been exhaustively tested afield, why would one choose a target bullet that is avowed by its manufacturer as being unsuited for hunting? Performance nor accuracy can not be the answer as both can be matched by proper bullets. I loaded up some 150gr Sierra GK HPBT's for a friend's 30-06 and he didn't like them. Said the damage to a deer was too much for a meat hunter. | |||
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The term "long range hunting" is VERY subjective, to say the least! If you make 600 yard shots in the Upper Pennisula of Michigan, yes that would most likely be considered sniping, but 600 yard shots in North Dakota, I don't think so. The problem with a MK is that the hollow cavity at the point of the bullet will fragment on impact. Some consider this a bad thing. In all actuality this fragmentation exposes the lead core and allows for expansion of an otherwise full metal jacket bullet. Of course if impact velocities are too high the bullet will essentially turn inside out, which most hunters would correctly term a bullet failure! As with most things in life, you must match up your tools to the job at hand. I would not use MK bullets in a 300 RUM loaded to the hilt to shoot elk at 100 yards. They will probably blow-up on impact. Now I would use them for elk at 600 yards in a 300 RUM loaded to the hilt, provided the MK were 220 or 240 grain. The Game Kings are designed to expand, and as such have a slightly heavier jacket which allows them to tolerate somewhat higher impact velocities. Having said that they can be over-driven with todays Super Duper Magnums. If over-driven the GK will fail as miserably as the MK. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Mr Ricciardelli, I've tried to reply twice to your PM you sent me but it doesn't appear that my PM is going through from this end.Let me know if it made it through or not.If it didn't I'll try again later. Dave | |||
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Quote: ASS, If you ask the boys over at Longrangehunting.com if they've ever had a MK fail, they'll show you a dead animal. A deer that goes down from a bullet failure is not a failure, that's called meat in the freezer. the boys over there at LRH have had nothing but one-shot kills, last I heard, anyway. They've tried the Ballistic tips, and whatever other accurate hunting bullets out there, the MKs still do the best job. Jay | |||
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This topic has come up many times. Your best bet is to load some SMK's up and take a few on your next hunt. Take the first shot with the SMK and have a "normal" hunting bullet ready for the next shot. Bet you won't take the second shot! | |||
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Jay, I have no doubt, I still wouldn't use them on elk, in a faster than hell magnum (300/378 WM, 300 RUM, etc) at ranges less than 150 yards. The key word in the above sentence is "I". ASS_CLOWN | |||
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