The title says it all.

I particularly need starting loads for 6,5x65R

Any good ideas??

Best regards
Niels

quote:

Originally posted by Niels:
The title says it all.

I particularly need starting loads for 6,5x65R

Any good ideas??

Best regards
Niels

Preferably with Vithavouri or Norma powders

Your best bet is to contact Norma and VihtaVuori and see if they can offer data. I don`t know of any other manuals for these two powders and I don`t see data for this cartridge in my VV 3rd edition manual. The American powder manufactures often can offer advice on loads that they don`t have in their books. The cartridge you have isn`t a common one but they may have loaded it in the past and still have some record of their result.

If you read German, try this:

http://www.deva-institut.de/l_literat.htm

The best manual you'll find on the european market.

Both Lapua and Vihtavuori publish manuals in English.

I have the Lapua 1st Edition and it doesnt list the calibres you mention. It is now out in 2nd edition which may.

Have seen Norma manuals in past that were more booklets.

Search out their websites.

Also you can use computer programs like "Load from a Disk" and Quickload but may have to refer to a burning chart and work out your own start loads with equivalent Euro powders and work up from there.

Go to Norma online.

Vihtavuori has a lot of data, for very "exotic" ( old ) cases, but its definitely "weak". I have the first manual, checked data with a newer leaflet and online data, and for me its unusable low ( OTOH I could use this data as a "starting point" and work up, but I don´t like this! )

H

I can give you some 6.5x65R data from the RWS manual, but it only lists Rottweil powders.

I've got Norma's 1st Edition reloading manual which contains a lot of data on European cartridges, but sadly, not the one you mention. The tenth edition of Cartridges of the World lists a couple of RWS factory loads but no data.

Roland Zeitler's book: http://www.amazon.de/Wiederladen-Jagd-Sport-Roland-Zeit...id=1179064760&sr=8-1

has a bit of data on the 6.5x65R - including VV N165 and R905 (equivalent to Norma MRP).

VV 165 loads are listed with max of 58.5, 58.0 and 54.0 for 120, 125 and 140 grs bullets respectively.

- mike

I just looked up the 6.5X65mm in Cartiridges of the World, and it only gives specifics of two factory loads!

I do not believe there is a U.S. reloading manual available today that gives much in the way of reloading data for most metric cartridges, or the British ones either, for that matter.

In such cases, about all one can do is measure the case capacities of the rounds in question, and compare these with cartridges similar calibers and case volumes for which there is published loading data, and use some of the starting loads in the cases you want to load. Develop your own data from there.

This is not as risky as it might sound. Just make sure you select starting load data from a cartridge that holds as much or less powder than the one you are working with. Then use the published STARTING LOAD for that round with a bullet of identical or heavier weight than the one you are going to use.

This approach will ensure that your starting loads will be quite mild, and you can work up safely even though it might take longer, and use up more components to do so.

To ilustrate what I am saying, the 6.5X65mm RWS is "in the same class as the 6.5 Remington Magnum", and has a slightly greater case capacity than the 6.5/'06 round, a wildcat made by necking the .30/'06 case down to fire 6.5mm bullets. Therefore, starting loads for the 6.5/'06 will be safe in the larger capacity 6.5X65mm, and can be used as a starting point from which to work up loads for a 6.5X65mm (and the 6.5X65R). But, once you have finished load development, it is probable that your 6.5X65Rmm load will be at least as powerful as a 6.5/'06 load.

Hello:
The "expert" I found suggested using 6.5-06
relaoding data to start.
There is a European forum that deals in a lot of
RWS & European cartridges: www.sluttstykket.com/
forum. I think its Norwegian? If you can read
Norwegian, you would find the 6.5X65R RWS cartridge there, in a search.
Also, I have a "Wiederladen" 1989,Reloading Manual
published in Germany by Dynamit Nobel...but it
doesn't list the 6.5X65R...maybe it was too new to make the printing.
Best Regards,
Tom

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Originally posted by white bison:
Hello:
The "expert" I found suggested using 6.5-06
relaoding data to start.
There is a European forum that deals in a lot of
RWS & European cartridges: www.sluttstykket.com/
forum. I think its Norwegian? If you can read
Norwegian, you would find the 6.5X65R RWS cartridge there, in a search.
Also, I have a "Wiederladen" 1989,Reloading Manual
published in Germany by Dynamit Nobel...but it
doesn't list the 6.5X65R...maybe it was too new to make the printing.
Best Regards,
Tom

Is "Wiederladen" still available somewhere? I remember reading a review of that book years ago, and should have bought one then. Same with Der Ratgeber Fur Den Jaeger, Waffen Frankonia's catalog. Haven't been able to find this online either.

Hi Deguello

I think u will find wat you are looking for at either amazon.de or by googling "Triebel"

Thanks everyone. You have all been very helpfull. Like allways it's great to have people at AR to go to, for hints and pointers.


Best to you