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I just finished up a seating ladder test for the 200gr AB in the .338Wm and while I was at it I ran them over the chronograph. Nosler shows 76.0grs of RL19 with a 200gr AB at 3040fps. I loaded 76.5grs under a 200gr AB and only got a 2822fps avg for 9 shots out of my 24" barrel. It shot under 1/2" 3 shot group at 100yds. Very disappointed in the velocity. Is this normal for RL19? | ||
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QL calculates basically the same as the Nosler manual. However it will list your velocity as a 10% lower burn rate. Also a simple increase in case capacity of 2grs would drop the forecasted velocity by almost 100fps. For your info Cartridge : .338 Win Mag. Bullet : .338, 200, Nosler Accubond 56382 Useable Case Capaci: 74.990 grain H2O = 4.869 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-19 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -20.0 88 60.80 2372 2498 31098 8056 85.4 1.489 -18.0 90 62.32 2433 2630 33257 8339 86.9 1.448 -16.0 92 63.84 2495 2765 35572 8617 88.2 1.408 -14.0 95 65.36 2558 2905 38058 8887 89.6 1.367 -12.0 97 66.88 2620 3049 40730 9149 90.8 1.324 -10.0 99 68.40 2683 3198 43600 9402 92.0 1.282 -08.0 101 69.92 2747 3350 46692 9644 93.2 1.242 -06.0 103 71.44 2810 3507 50021 9875 94.2 1.204 -04.0 106 72.96 2874 3668 53616 10092 95.2 1.166 ! Near Maximum ! -02.0 108 74.48 2938 3832 57499 10296 96.1 1.130 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 110 76.00 3002 4001 61703 10484 96.9 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +02.0 112 77.52 3066 4174 66258 10656 97.6 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.0 114 79.04 3130 4350 71205 10811 98.2 1.029 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +06.0 117 80.56 3194 4531 76585 10947 98.8 0.998 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +08.0 119 82.08 3258 4715 82451 11063 99.2 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +10.0 121 83.60 3323 4903 88866 11157 99.5 0.937 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 110 76.00 3153 4414 74406 10416 99.9 1.015 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 110 76.00 2803 3490 50369 10012 89.8 1.199 As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Does not surprise me any book velocity is always over rated IMHO. | |||
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That translates to a 7.2% variance from book to reality. Most book loads are 26" barrels, in indoor climate controlled ranges with precise chrono placement, no or little air currents and overall optimal conditions. In my experience, RL19 is very slightly temperature sensitive, so 40 degrees can mean 40-50 fps. Powder lot, primer lot, case wall thickness, chamber tightness, bullet jump, throat depth, moon phase, elevation, barometric pressure, sun spots, cosmic rays, gravitational pull of a passing 747...all factors. Seriously. I could plausibly show the physics impact of any of these. It'd be a lot of bs, but it'd be mostly plausible bs. Basically, what I'm saying is there are a LOT OF VARIABLES. Any or all or some would add up to a velocity difference. And it's a half inch rifle! 3000fps isn't going to make it that much better. It's already pretty darn good. Pushing a 200gr 338 that fast out of that case is pretty impressive. Shooting it 1/2 Moa is more impressive. Tweaking slightly up, or down might get you a bit more accurate, but not necessarily. It sounds like you're pretty darn close to the sweet spot. Ignore the book velocity numbers. You'll sleep better. If I am working, hunting season is too far away to imagine. If I am getting things ready for hunting season, opening day is perilously close. | |||
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Sounds like you're good to go! | |||
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Chronographs are tricky and sensitive..I always fire 10 rounds, take out the high and low and average the 8..It seems to be the best method.. My hunting load of RL-19 and the 225 Nosler Accubond gets me 2913 FPS and cases are good for at least 10 reloads for sure and mostly 14 to 16..If I were to anneal every firing they would last forever. I can duplicate that with RL-22 and it some guns its the best powder. Change the bullet, primer, case make, and all the above will probably change to one degree or another, consistency is the key to good performance.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I don't have the data handy but one of my favored loads for the 338 WM is Rl 19 with a Nosler 210 Partition. | |||
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