Dear all

The shortage of reloading components has now hit the UK. One of the main wholesalers doesn't have a primer in the place and Hodgdon powder is also out of stock.

On one of the UK forums, an American member had said he had listened to a radio programme where one of the senior staff of Sierra Bullets was quoted as saying that it wasn't the consumer any longer causing the shortage of components from panic buying but the Dept. Homeland Security buying up components instead.

If it wasn't for it being a senior member if staff from one of the manufacturers saying this, one would be convinced it was a conspiracist theory! He was implying that they were forcing regulation through the back door so I believe.

Can anyone verify this as being the current situation?

KR

J

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Homeland Security buying up components instead.

Does anyone really believe this?

No

If Homeland Security is doing that the manufacturers will just up production until Homeland Security cannot afford any more.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
If Homeland Security is doing that the manufacturers will just up production until Homeland Security cannot afford any more.

No opinion one way or another on the Homeland Security conspiracy however I think in this climate we are in with shortages I would be floored if not all the manufactures of components are not running at max capacity already.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Homeland Security buying up components instead.

Does anyone really believe this?

vd,

Wrong Question!!!

Its not important what you believe - What is important is the facts.

KR is asking for conformation and seeking facts, not not some unfounded beliefs.

Come on! You know politicians always have our/your best interests in mind

Freedom of information act can tell if this is happening. Ask for govt. purchseing data for 20 years.

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Originally posted by McKay:

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Originally posted by SR4759:
If Homeland Security is doing that the manufacturers will just up production until Homeland Security cannot afford any more.

No opinion one way or another on the Homeland Security conspiracy however I think in this climate we are in with shortages I would be floored if not all the manufactures of components are not running at max capacity already.

You wouldn't?
Would you be floored if they added capacity with continued demand?

What are they going to do with all those componets, those guys can't have the brains to reload anything.

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Originally posted by ztreh:
Freedom of information act can tell if this is happening. Ask for govt. purchseing data for 20 years.

z, If its that easy - Go for it and let us know.

Seems we should already know enough facts to either debunk or confirm - Y'all remember "this is the going to be a transparent administration".

We should know what and whom the gov't is contracting. The ammo/compontent manufacturers should be open with us on what the gov't is buying from them. This conspiracy theory arises because neither is giving out any info!

Thanks for the replies and yes I was looking for factual information to be honest.

The theory of DHS buying up components sounds completely conspiracist to me. The point I was making was why would a CXO level member of staff of a bullet manufacturer say that to be the case if it wasn't true?

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Originally posted by Jon2:

On one of the UK forums, an American member had said he had listened to a radio programme where one of the senior staff of Sierra Bullets was quoted as saying that it wasn't the consumer any longer causing the shortage of components from panic buying but the Dept. Homeland Security buying up components instead.

KR

J

Jon2,

What you have heard is really just a rumour from someone you know that said he heard it somewhere else.

One of my points was - We could debunk this very quickly if we knew what compontent manufacturers had big gov't contracts.

This is the first I've heard of it.

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Originally posted by RaySendero:

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Originally posted by ztreh:
Freedom of information act can tell if this is happening. Ask for govt. purchseing data for 20 years.

z, If its that easy - Go for it and let us know.

Seems we should already know enough facts to either debunk or confirm - Y'all remember "this is the going to be a transparent administration".

We should know what and whom the gov't is contracting. The ammo/compontent manufacturers should be open with us on what the gov't is buying from them. This conspiracy theory arises because neither is giving out any info!

It is that easy, every government procurement is here. They announce what the are planning to buy and when the but it.

Have fun browsing

https://www.fbo.gov/

Mike Bellm, bellmtcs.com, of T/C fame, states that his son works in the ammo industry and this is fact. I got it from his newsletter but I suppose you could find it on the web site.

Look on the bright side. Someday when Mr. O is no longer Prezzz, all that supply will come up surplus and at huge discounts (as is common with gov. purchase, or get dumped in the ocean???, also common), maybe. (May I live so long.) happy trails.

The sad thing is not what is true or what we believe...it's that we even think the government would do it!

Our suppliers have told us that homeland security has in fact ordered 1.5 Billion rnds of 9mm.

I believe your assertion has little substance.
I for one do not think that Sierra sells component bullets to the US government other than a few match bullets loaded by military rifle teams.
You have attributed that to Sierra but you have no link to the statement only hearsay from an associate. You want facts but you did not necessarily start with facts. Anyone can pass on a rumor.

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Originally posted by Jon2:
Thanks for the replies and yes I was looking for factual information to be honest.

The theory of DHS buying up components sounds completely conspiracist to me. The point I was making was why would a CXO level member of staff of a bullet manufacturer say that to be the case if it wasn't true?

Well said Ray, we search for truth, not opinion.

I have recently witnessed people making huge purchases of powder and primers. I live close to two Cabela’s stores, while visiting them; I have seen two instances of customers buying 20 plus pounds of powder, and large quantities of primers. Interestingly enough, there are users of the local forum SeattleGuns that live close to these stores that are advertising powder and primers for sale at prices up to $50.00 per pound.

I was at the Cabela’s store in Tulalip, Washington and watched two guys who seemed to be new to reloading purchase every pound of powder they had in stock, including 8 pounds of Bullseye, that’s a lot of pistol powder for guys new to reloading.

While visiting another local warehouse type store, I was surprised to see quite a bit of Alliant powder in stock, I picked up a pound of 22, and wandered around the store, when I got back to the reloading area the powder shelf was bare.

As long as people are hording components, and making large purchases simply to resell at scalper prices, these shortages will continue. The hunting department manager of the local warehouse type sporting goods store is a friend of mine, during a recent conversation with him, he told me that no matter how much ammunition and reloading components he is able to get in, the product is sold as fast as it hits the shelves. He also indicated what the sales levels have been, grossly exceeding anything in recent history.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
I believe your assertion has little substance.
I for one do not think that Sierra sells component bullets to the US government other than a few match bullets loaded by military rifle teams.
You have attributed that to Sierra but you have no link to the statement only hearsay from an associate. You want facts but you did


not necessarily start with facts. Anyone can pass on a rumor.

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Originally posted by Jon2:
Thanks for the replies and yes I was looking for factual information to be honest.

The theory of DHS buying up components sounds completely conspiracist to me. The point I was making was why would a CXO level member of staff of a bullet manufacturer say that to be the case if it wasn't true?

Apparently it was said on a radio programme. I don't doubt it was said. My question is why was it said by a manufacturer who has visibility of the order book if it was not true?

And here is the link to the thread and gentleman concerned:-

http://www.thestalkingdirector...dicated-news-program

As Pogo said: " we have met the enemy and he is us."

If you want facts call the ILA (you ARE an NRA member .... right ?) not believe some internet BS.

The Obamahysteria is driving hoarding through the roof and not by DHS but by the guy you see in the mirror.

If you're old enough to member the "gas crisis" of the Carter years, when people wasted more gas idling in service station lines than a cross country trip.

Different product same lemming like bad judgement.

Think you've missed my point there. I understand yours mind.

No I'm not a NRA member.

When I called Sierra and Hodgdon about the shortage the both told me the same thing.
About 14% of their production is going to military and police use. The rest is being bought up by panic buyers who are hording much more than they would normally buy. This leads to empty shelves and more people buy in a panic thinking they aren't going to be able to get what they need. There are some who buy at retail and then resell on-line at two and three times the price that they paid. It's called profiteering and it is easy to beat - just stop buying at the inflated prices.

If you believe that the government is buying it all then why is the hardest ammo to find 22LR rimfire? No government agency uses that stuff.

Well said. I forget to mention 22 LR. (although I did use a ton back in the day when I wore the blue suit and was a member of the command pistol team).

We should all sympathize with the Brit who has no NRA to belong to. He also has almost no rights either. Whatever the PM desires happens, as there are no checks and balances.

Thanks God for those old white guys back in 1776-83 who figured out how to do it correctly. God curse those "wreckers" who spend 24/7/365 trying to make us into a socialist workers' paradise.