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I have been reloading different bullets to test in my rifles. I decide to go with the lynman reloading books data on 200gr speer bullets. I put in 45 grains of 4350, the load book says 43gr is base and 48+ is max. OAL: 2.960 The bullets are VERY close to the powder. Here is a photo of what im talking about:




Is this a safe load to put threw an sporterized enfield and a bolt action rifle.
 
Posts: 68 | Location: Canyon Country CA | Registered: 07 October 2005Reply With Quote
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Adam, as long as your bullet is not jammed into the lands of your rifle's barrel when you close the action, you should be fine. Someone who's more knowledgeable than me might tell you how to resize your photos to fit the forum better, but your second photo is not clear at all--so no info can be garnered from it--having said that, it is common for your bullet to be close to the powder charge when seated when loading bottleneck cartridges. In fact you will ocassionally see a load in your reloading manuals listed as 'compressed' which indicates that the powder charge is actually compacted by your bullet when seating it. These can be very accurate loads, which to me seemed a little crazy when I first started loading, but it's true.

Stay below max, as you have, and work up--makle sure your bullet is not seated against the lands when the action is closed, and you're at a good start.

Good Luck
 
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Me and my daughter are using Sierra 220 gr bullets for bear and moose. They work great. I am the handloader she only wants to pull the trigger.(:
 
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I wasn't able to get 200gr bullets to stabilise in the 1:10 twist of my .308. At 100 yards and beyond they were great, but anything I shot closer than that, ended up being a real mess. Very dead, but very messy Big Grin

Hope you have better luck than I did - I've gone back to 180-grainers
 
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When buying yourself a pair of long pants you always take two things into account, namely:
1. Waist size (in rifle terms calibre or bore size) and
2. Inner leg length ( or bullet length).

A 200gr .308 bullet is a 'very long' bullet and would require a tight twist rate, something in the order of 1:8" or even tighter.

Só, know first what your rifles twist rate is and then decide what length bullet for the specific bore size would fit in with that twist.

Never buy bullets according to weight just like you won't buy a pair of pants based on it's weight! Waste of time and effort.


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Posts: 654 | Location: RSA, Mpumalanga, Witbank. | Registered: 21 April 2005Reply With Quote
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The .308 case is so small, I don't use anything over a 150 gr for hunting.
 
Posts: 1547 | Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Registered: 18 June 2005Reply With Quote
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and I am of the opposite school...the 150 grn .308 has such poor sectional density I would never use it for hunting.


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Originally posted by Rikkie:
I wasn't able to get 200gr bullets to stabilise in the 1:10 twist of my .308. At 100 yards and beyond they were great, but anything I shot closer than that, ended up being a real mess. Very dead, but very messy Big Grin

Hope you have better luck than I did - I've gone back to 180-grainers


Bullet stability depends on twist vs bullet LENGTH, not weight. A 1/10 twist is PLENTY fast enough to syabilize a 200-grain bullet of most any length. My .308 was a pre-64 Win. M70 Win. FTW., with a 1/12" twist. It shot 200-grain bullets FINE, and did OK with the 220-grain Hornady round-noses also, with a load of 48 grains of N205 or MRP. Very deadly on deer at short ranges.


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Posts: 4386 | Location: New Woodstock, Madison County, Central NY | Registered: 04 January 2005Reply With Quote
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Big fan of the 308 Win but I suggest the 200 gr bullet should be left with the 30-06 or 300 Win.

Takes up alot powder space which hinders performance of such a great round.

I have harvested alot of Moose over the years with:

180 Nosler Part
Varget @ 44.2
Win Brass
CCI Br-2 primers


Jeff
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