Is any one loading 3006 shells with w748? Would you share your load if your proud of it.
Old Timer

I use 54 grains ( a slightly compressed load ) of W748 in my .308 Winchester with 150 grain Nosler BT's. Not the most accurate load I tested but usually hovers around 1.25 inches. Plenty good for deer. Gives me about 2850 fps in my Ruger with no signs of pressure. Brass seems to last forever.

I use Win. 748 to load .223 Remmington and 30-06.
In 30-06...with a 165 grain bullet try 46.5 to 47.5 grains.
In .223...with a 55 grain bullet try 26.5 to 27.5 grains.

...it's a dirty, grotty powder I avoid using for this reason.

Geez express, I haven't heard the term "grotty" since my college days back in 63-66 in England. I doubt whether too many folks on this board have heard the term, but I suspect they can guess the meaning.
peter.

The reason I am asking is because I have reason to believe based upon information that 56 gr of W748 pushing a 150 interbond in a 22.5 tube will produce around 3150' and I was wondering if anyone has tried this load and if so what primer and case????
Old Timer

Most of the .308 I have loaded for maxed at 51 grs. of WW-748.....and shot best with less...

I suspect if one uses 53 or 54 grs. of WW-748 with a 150 gr. bullet he should keep a lead hammer handy so he can beat his bolt open ever so often as his brass work hardens...

51 grs. is book max and thats a 103% full case.

Old Timer, if it's speed you want try H 414. Like W-W 748, it too is a ball powder.

For sheer velocity with 150's and 165's, it would be tough to beat in the .30-06.
150's: 52.6gr-60.0gr
165's: 53.0gr-58.0gr
*from Hornady's 4th edition

Old Timer,

It seems that some people on this post are giving data for the 308 Winchester and some are giving data for the 30-06. Read them carefully!!!

I think that Winchester 748 is a bit fast-burning for the -06. As one suggested H-414 would be a better choice. It is in the 4350 burning range. Personally, I wouldn't go any faster than the H-414 and would probably go for the 4350 to 4831 burning range with a magnum primer. Just my thoughts. Good-luck...BCB

Old Timer:

Checking out my loading manuals the best I can find with W 748 and a 150 grain bullet is in the Lyman # 47 which lists 52 grains for 2902 fps.
With a 125 grain bullet, it lists 58 grains for a MV of 3241, and with a 130 grain bullet 59 grains give a MV of 3169 fps. Pressure is listed at 48K to 50K C.U.P.

I know you can work up a load that will approximate what you are talking about. A good friend of mine from Madison Wisc, use to use W 748 with a 150 grain bullet at 3150 fps. I have seen it chronographed several times.
The rifle was a Commercial Mauser from the 1960s, with a 24 inch barrel.

I tend to agree with the other gentlemen who recommend using H 414, or W 760. Velocity of 3,000 fps is not hard to obtain with a batch of powders.

Your pressures will be up there with the W 748 load at 3150, but working with the powder myself I tend to think that it actually gets to a point that it just does not give you any more velocity or pressure (at least in an '06 or 30/30 case).
JUST OBSERVATION WITH NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF, FOR ALL OF OUR VAMPIRE CRITICS....

Based on the Load Data with a 130 grain bullet and a 150 grain bullet, It sounds in the ball park, just work up slowly and know you are over max pressure, just how much who knows.....
You also have to ask yourself, if the extra 150 fps is worth the effort? Not to me looking at trajectory charts or energy charts.

Keep us posted if you do try it and what the results are.

Seafire,
I am not just looking for more speed I am interested if a person could get 3140-3160 out of a 3006 safely my rifle has a 22.5 tube and I am now loading RL 15 52 grs for 2930 ave. How is W 748 to work with and how is it affected by tempture?? any Ideas?
Old Timer

Sorry old timer I read some of the lower posts and they referred to some hot .308 loads...

For Maximum velocity in a 30-06 with 150 gr. bullets then H414 is the one. Most of my guns will handle some over book max and will top 3000 FPS but not by much in the short 22" barrels. 3100 FPS is reachable in a 26" barrel, but 100 or 200 FPS is nothing to get excited over as to trajectory or killing potential..almost nothing and your only gaining pressure, loss of case life and muzzle blast plus a little more recoil..Thats your gain.

OldTimer:

First I agree with Ray A. on this, the gain is little. However, we all have different views if something is worth it or not. That has to be your decision, not mine and Ray's for your guns and your shooting.

W 748 is a very easy powder to work with. It is a flake type. I have used it in my 30/30 loads with a 220 grain bullet that was posted on her, with a lot of comments over it. However it worked for me, not that I use it a lot. I just wanted to test the parameters of the cartridge's potential.

I have used it hunting Wisconsin and Minnesota, when I use to live there. In conditions there, it never gave eratic performance based on how cold it got, and that was down to 30 below in Northern Minnesota.

H 414 , W 760, H 335 are just three powders that come to mind that I have used that are like W 748, flake powders. Does great in 223, or 22/250s. Several people have posted that W 760 and H 414 are the same powder. I tend to agree as their performance is so close.

I use a lot of 748. As much as I do RL 15, another great powder, ( 4064, 3031, 4895),
Those along with RL 7, and 4198 take in a fair amount of my powder preferences. ( also like Blue dot in my 223, and 444 marlin).

Just work up and make up your own decisions.
Be safe is the bottom line.

For whatever reasons I've never had great results with WW748 or WW760. I also found it dirty or as you say "grotty." I've shot some excellent groups with WW748, but it was never consistent. Some days it would shoot great, other days lousy. Is it particularly temperature sensitive? I would also split necks in several calibers, so I suspect it's a very touchy powder. I stopped using it for this reason, yet it did have its good days occasionally. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

seafire where do you find W748 in flake form?? All I`ve ever loaded was a ball type..........
IMO one of the 4350s would be a better choice for high velocity in the `06 than 748. I haven`t used 748 in this application so again this is just my opinion.

I went out and bought some 748 because of Seafire/B17G's post:
http://www.nookhill.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=000449

Old Timer, I read the posts again, and these are my thoughts on .30-06.

1)150's and H414 for speed.
If this doesn't net the results you are looking for...
2)150's with VihtaVuori N550
If this doesn't do it, it can't be done safely!

I don't use much W-W powder, in fact W-W 296 is it. I use to use W-785, W-630, and others in the scatterguns, but they are all gone. I've used different brands for years now, so no sense in turning back.

The 30-06 loves faster powders, like 4895 and 4064! They both will drive a 150 to beyond 3000fps and very accurately!