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Re: Crimped Bullets are more accurate bullets
14 September 2004, 06:31
DutchRe: Crimped Bullets are more accurate bullets
The idea is to get a more uniform pressure rise by increasing neck tension. It's essentially the same effect as placing a bullet into the lands (as practiced by bench rest shooters). Placing the bullet into the lands is not something you want to do with most applications.
Since almost all crimping deforms the bullet, it must reduce the maximum accuracy potential. Nevertheless, the real world accuracy often increases because crimping increases the uniformity of the load more than the bullet degradation decreases the accuracy. HTH, Dutch.
14 September 2004, 07:17
ReloaderI believe that it depends on the particular firearm. Some like the crimped and some don't. Some like the bullets close to the lands others touching. It would be something that you would have to try in your particular setup to get an answer for yourself but, to say that crimping will help accuracy in all rifles is just simply not true.
I like the Lee Factory Crimp dies for all of my hunting ammo.
One thing I dont like about not crimping is sometimes you get a loose fit. Not real loose but, the bullet moves if slightly bumped.
Good Luck!
Reloader
14 September 2004, 09:57
Born to HuntI have RCBS dies and a good source for RCBS products (cheap). Do they make crimping dies?
14 September 2004, 09:33
RicochetNo one on the benchrest circuit uses a magazine, either. Or opens the action to extract an unfired cartridge with the bullet jammed into the lands. In the real world, the Lee Factory Crimp will usually produce a small but noticeable improvement in accuracy.
14 September 2004, 09:12
JustCI use no more than .003" neck tension. This is right at or into the lands. I don't crimp bullets and won't.
no-one on the benchrest circuit does,..and that is the proving grounds for accuracy.
14 September 2004, 08:50
MohuntI like the Lee Factory crimps also, for the money it is well worth it. (some will argue I'm sure) I have found better results in my loads by at least using a light to medium crimp.
14 September 2004, 11:11
steve4102This is the test result using the Lee Factory Crimp Die. See for yourself. The Lee Factory Crimp Die can and does increase accuracy. Run a test of your own. Load some with the Lee Die and some without. The Lee Die costs less than $10. If you don't like your results, you can sell it on Ebay for $20.
http://www.accuratereloading.com/crimping.html14 September 2004, 11:07
DutchPlease don't take bench rest shooting as your guide. That group routinely loads into the 75,000 PSI range, and they would sell their soul for a reduction in group sizes of .05".
Very little of the "super accuracy" techniques used in 100 and 200 yard benchrest translate into field rifles. That includes neck turning, primer pocket uniforming, weighing brass, loading into the lands, etc, etc. JMO, Dutch.
14 September 2004, 11:25
covey16I've fired thousands of reloaded rounds thru semiautos chambered in .223,.308 and 30-06 and bolt rifles up to 30-06.
Never crimped the first round, never had a problem.
Wouldn't crimp anything that wasn't extremely heavy recoiling,required a crimp to make the powder work(such as .44 mag) or was being used in a tubular magazine.
JMO
Covey16
14 September 2004, 12:48
Hot CoreQuote:
I have RCBS dies and a good source for RCBS products (cheap). Do they make crimping dies?
Hey BTH, There is a "Roll Crimp" already built into your Seating Die. You can learn about it in your Instructions that came with the Dies.
Most of these guys are talking about a slightly different Die though that "Lee" makes. It effectively "stakes" the case mouth into the sides of any Bullet whether it has a Cannelure or not. Same result as on factory ammo.
Lots of folks seem to be happy with the Lee Crimper, so good for them. I don't use it and am happy without it, so good for me.
I agree with all the above posts that mention it is simply a method to retard bullet release which alters the Powder Ignition. My Loads ignite just fine though and I've no desire to change what I've been doing for many years.
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Any of you guys using the Lee Crimper have any "Neck Split" problems?
14 September 2004, 12:56
RupertBearI like the Lee Crimp die, mainly because I target shoot, plink, and hunt all with the same loads in my rifle. If I'm out varminting or plinking, I tend to shoot 2 or 3 rounds, then top off the magazine. Having the crimp at the bullet's cannelure stops the bottom bullet from shifting in the case neck.
14 September 2004, 13:09
hornetguy"If you don't like your results, you can sell it on Ebay for $20."
ROFLMAO....

Isn't that the truth? Idiots will buy used bullet molds that they know nothing about, for almost DOUBLE the cost of a brand new mold of the exact same bullet.... BUT THEY WON THE AUCTION!!! what a hoot..
14 September 2004, 14:35
stubblejumperI think that the fact that benchrest shooters do not crimp should answer this question.After all they want every last bit of accuracy that they can get.
14 September 2004, 15:48
djpaintlesThe real answer to the question of whether Crimping increases accuracy is sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. It is often worth experimenting to find out.
The Lee Crimp die works well and I greatly prefer it to a roll crimp on rifle cartridges that require one. For Semi-Auto's like an AR-15 I prefer a taper crimp.
But for most rifle reloading my experience has been that proper loading density and concentric bullet seating will result in more accurate and consistant loads than relying on a crimp. And in pure accuracy terms the fact the no benchrest shooter crimps is telling.........DJ
14 September 2004, 15:45
JustCstubblejumper,..EXACTLY my point.
If you aren't after the best you can get,..WHY BOTHER. And the 100 and 200yd example is mute,..the LV and HV class is wayyyyyyy different than the 400-?yd classes. If you want to be sure you can take a long shot,...them make it accurate!!!! If you are only shooting 100-200yds,....then why bother worrying about the difference a crimp makes
