OK...I'm gonna buy some bonded core bullets just cuz I want to...I don't want to get beat up or chastised (about why, where,usage, caliber or cartridge).
Just opinions on the best bullet between the two. I appreciate your opinions...no really..I do..

Iwould recommend you try the Accubonds for starters. They are a good deal cheaper than the Swift bullets.

I have had very mixed results with bonded bullets.

I tried some Swift Sciroccos in my 7mm Wby Mag and had a hard time gettting good groups with them. I also had a hard time getting consistant groups with them. Each trip to the range it seemed a different load shot best.
I shot a couple of wild hogs with them and was not impressed, had to shoot them twice each time.

I have simply had mixed results with the Accubonds. When they first came out I tried the 225 grain 338 caliber version in a bunch of different rifles with dismal results. Then I stuck them in a 338 RUM and got groups under a half inch again and again.

I tried the 200 grain version in my 300 Wby and found they shot lousy.

I guess I am stupid or stubborn because I kept trying them. The 140 grain Accubond shoots great in my 7-08 and puts hogs on the ground. The 140 Accubond shoots well in my 270 WSM and is also a great hog killer. I recently worked up a load in a 7mm Rem Mag using the 160 Accubond that shoots under an inch. My buddy's 300 RUM shoots the 180 Accubond best of anything we have tried.

So, you just have to try them and see. Each rifle is different.

First let me start off with I am a Swift fanatic.. Second let me say that as far as I'm concerned the Scirocco's sux!!.. I purchased a Win M70 in 300WSM and my favorite maker's (Swift) bullet.. The results were so poor I thought my new to me Winchester was nothing more than a boat anchor.. I tried different loads, powders, seating depth's everything under the sun.. Just happened to knock together some old Rem Core-loks.. Shazam! 3/4" groups! Tried some Hornady IB's Holy Cr*p! - 1/2 groups.. Went back to the Sciricco's cause I'm bull headed.. Can't even keep-em in he black! The bullet weights I was useing for all mfgrs is 165 & 180grn.. Only lately come to find out about other reports about Scirocco's poor performance.. Swift A frames are still my #1 Luv tho..

I tried the .308 180gr scirocco. Dang they are a purdy bullit. Let me say that I have never had a bullit cover so much parer. Looked like I threw a hand full of gravel at the target.

I've shot shotguns with buckshot at 40 yards, and had tighter groups than the Sciroccos I've tried. On the other hand, accubonds shoot pretty good in the rifles I've tried them in, however not much, if any, better than Partitions, which remain my first choice in all my mid-size big game rifles.

Accubonds...no doubt about it. We use both culling deer on a local plantation, legally. We have seen wide variations in accuracy potential and pressure signs with Scirocos and hvae just plain had better overall performance on deer with Accubonds. This is not a 10 or 20 kill observation either....

I tried the 165 gr Sciroccos in my .308 win and I could not get it to shoot them. I am just like R Flowers, poor groups and groups were inconsistent as well.

The Sciroccos normally require alot of time and work playing with the seating depth to get them to group well. I've had good luck with Accubonds. Work up loads with ballistic tips then back of a hair and work back up with accubonds. I shoot the same load with 140gr Ball. Tips and 140gr. Accubonds in my 270win.

Thank you fellows! I'm gonna pick up a couple of boxes of Accubonds. I knew I could count on you all.

Either will work. For me it can be a coin toss but I have to vote for the Scirocco for overall performance.

I've killed 2 black bears with 2 Sciroccos: 180 grain, 30.06....both pass throughs on the shoulders, longest distance, 66 yards.

I've killed 2 black bears with 225 ABs in 338 WinMag, longest distance was over bait at 12-15 yards. Recovered a bullet, looked good.

Various deer both mulie and whitetail with both style bullets, no problems, except one fluke: 140 AB 270 mulie at 45 or so yards.

Ultimately the ABs are easier to load and find good accuracy, however, IMO, the "bond" is superior from Swift. I will continue to use both.

I like the Swift A-Frames but the Sciroccos are dead in the water for me.

As far as bonded bullets I'd look to accubonds or interbonds.

I'm not really sure what they changed in the Scirocco II vs the I, but all the Scirocco's I've tried have been the II's. They shoot like a house of fire for me. 270 Win, WSM, and 308 in 308 Win, 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag. Damn things are right there with AB's and NBT's for me. On game performance has been limited to whitetails for me, but they have been pass throughs and bang flops. Several of them.

I have had good "Luck" from the sounds of it, with the 30 cal 180 gr Sciroccos. They have always shot under an inch @ 100yds out of my 300 Ultra, and I have taken 3 Bull Elk while using them with No problems!!

Yea, with my 300 RUM, I have two loads, one is with the 180 Scirocco and either Re25 or Retumbo. The other is the 200 AB and Re25.

That 180 Scirocco is an equal to the AB for accuracy.

The problem I have with the ABs is their quality control issue they had with all the tips falling off.

I've had to send back 7 boxes now since they've come out. I replaced them all with partitions.

I prefer Hornady Interbonds (its mostly my preference for Hornady).

I shot an antelope and two deer with 160gr Accubonds in my 7mmRem. Buy factory seconds if you can get them, I find them just as good as firsts. Groups were as good as I can shoot on any given day at MOA. The 180 gr Accubond for my 300WSM were all but worthless and wouldn't group, but the 165 Interbonds are MOA on any given day.

The Accubonds are known for accuracy and it seems most that try the Swifts Sciroccos say they are inaccurate.

I've had excellent results with the ABs in just about every rifle I've tried them in.

I've tried the Sciroccos in 4 rifles since I purchased a couple hundred last year and thus far only one rifle has shot them so-so. The others mostly sprayed them and they are known to be sub-moa rifles. I'll keep experimenting with them and hopefully I'll stumble onto a good combo as I do think they have a great design.

Good Luck

Reloader

Sciroccos shoot lights out for me in my 300 Wby. Not only do they shoot great (consistently well under 1 inch at 100 yds) but their performance on game has been great in my experience. Shot a nice bull elk at 300 yds. He took three steps and I gave him another but he was already dead on his feet. Mulies and whitetails at ranges from 40 to over 500 yds have all been DRT.

I think a lot of loaders give up on the Scirocco and rightfully so. It is a booger when loading in some rifles, but I've been very fortunate with all of the ones I've tried.

I think it is an excellent bullet and I know it has accuracy potential. If it didn't, it would never have been one of John Burns favorites before he was sponsored by Berger.

Accubonds

Sniper, please do. Powders that all worked well for me were H1000, Retumbo, Re25. I'm curious about IMR7828.

It might just be my rifle but I found that the Scirocco's biggest problem for accuracy is the seating depth.

It is a picky booger, but if and when you find a sweet spot, you'll wonder if you're shooting a bench rifle with Bergers or a hunting rifle with a bonded hunting bullet.

My rifle wears a Shilen bbl and it was chambered by Shilen in TX. I think it's a very tight chamber because my max powder loads have never been as high as what you see in manuals.

I'd have to look it up but it seems like I was roughly around 99 grains for the 180 Scirocco for my tightest groups, but for my chamber that was very near max.

Sniper- I hope they will shoot as good for you, as they do for me.

Sniper-- Have you made it to the range yet?? Let us know how they shot?

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Originally posted by Sniper:
Still waiting on the bullets to arrive. Midway seems to get slower and slower or maybe I've grown more impatient

hello there Sniper,what bullet did you take to Africa???

Tell LBG hello.

Sniper-- What load are you using? My load of 99.0 gr. Retumbo -180gr Scirocco -Fed Match Mag- 3.625oal will shoot .5 but I do have a 28inch Krieger on it.

Sniper, if you're getting accuracy like that with Woodleighs and TSX's, leave it alone and go get em!

That is great accuracy with two great bullets--Congrats!

Sniper, you tried the 200 gr Accubonds yet?

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Originally posted by Sniper:
Fish 30114, I was kind of thinking the same thing, with those two bullets this rifle could handle 95% of anything I may encounter.

I would sure think so, Sniper. Those are two really fine projectiles, and I would be happy to get that kind of accuracy out of them for sure. I think if you keep tweaking you could get others to shoot, but I really like the TSX for your all around, and they really aren't that pricey.

Good shooting--Don

ACCUBONDS ROCK.

SCIROCCOS SUK!

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Originally posted by POP:
ACCUBONDS ROCK.

SCIROCCOS SUK!

POP,

I've used neither of these yet. Want to let me in on your diagnosis?

Don

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Originally posted by POP:
ACCUBONDS ROCK.

SCIROCCOS SUK!

+1

The Scirroccos are like the old Barnes X bullets; if you get good accuracy you are lucky and definitely in the minority. Also the Scirroccos expand to a very large frontal area which actually impedes penetration.

The Accubonds are accurate, they lose about 30% of the frontal area, the petals fold down against the shank and the remainder keeps penetrating. Engineered to have the ballistic coefficient of the Ballistic Tip and the penetration of the Partition.