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I have some old stats for this cartridge. But it consists of all of 2. any one reload for this oldie? I have some Remington 180 .311 diameter bullets on the way. If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | ||
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I don't load it but I have load data. Hornady lists for their 174 gr bullets IMR 3031 36.3 min = 2300 fps , 41.7 max = 2600 fps IMR 4064 36.0 min = 2200 fps , 43.8 max = 2600 fps H 4895 36.5 min = 2200 fps , 43.9 max = 2600 fps IMR 4320 38.6 min = 2300 fps , 44.6 max = 2600 fps H 380 39.9 min = 2300 fps , 46.9 max = 2600 fps IMR 4350 42.0 min = 2200 fps , 47.7 max = 2500 fps I would reduce the max charge slightly due to your use of a 180 gr compaired to Hornadys 174 gr. There are warnings to respect the limitations of strength of the 1891 action. Hope this helps Johnch NRA life Delta Pheasants Forever DU Hunt as if your life depended on your results | |||
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The second Accurate Arms reloading manual states that Norma factory ammunition yielded pressures of 52,000 psi, and the following loads with a Sierra 180 did not exceed that: 36-40 grs. AA 2015, 2172-2468 fps. 38.3-42.5 grs. 2230, 2203-2503 fps. 38.7-43.0 grs. 2460, 2217-2519 fps. 41.4-46.0 grs. 2495, 2237-2542 fps. 40.5-45.0 grs. 2520, 2262-2570 fps 43.2-48.0 grs. 2700, 2167-2483 fps. 42.3-47.0 grs. 4350, 1974-2243 fps. And fwiw, my father hunted with an 1891 Argentine 7.65 for many years. I loaded his ammo with 45.0 grains of IMR 4895 and a CCI-200, pushing a 150-grain bullet. It shot extremely well, and I found out later that this was one of the loads that Ken Waters recommended in his book "Pet Loads". Good luck. Hope this helps. | |||
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IMR4320 46 gr. Norma cases, Rem 9 1/2 primers, PMP 174 gr. SP bullets, O.A.L. 2.953", 1" at 150 mts. 3 shoots with a customised Mauser Model 1891 Sutzen (18" barrel) Other: IMR 4064 41 gr. Rem 180 gr bullets, Rem 9 1/2 primers, Argentine boxer cases O.A.L. 2.844", 0,900" 3 shots at 150 mts with Mauser Sutzen, 20" barrel (Original - 1931 made) All safe in my rifles. Regards Hector | |||
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I can give you some excellent loads for the M1909, but not the M'91. Which is yours?? "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Mine is the 1909 and it is near new but I dont know if it is heat treated. What do you have for loads?  If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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42gr 4895 with 174 gr Horndy Rn is the best load I ever used. And I have "used" it both on Deer,and took it to Africa for plains game in Zim. Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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The best load I have for mine is shown here. It uses 200-grain .308" bullets and IMR 4350, Norma cases. I don't know if mine is heat-treated either, as it is as-issued except for a scope sight I put on myself. I have been using this load since the early 1980's, and the headspace has not changed. Mine is the full-length 29" barrel infantry version. The high MV is no doubt due to the length of the barrel.  This load is 52.5 grains of IMR 4350 with both Sierra and Nosler Partition 200-grain bullets. Norma cases and Federal 210 primers. The two brands obviously shoot to the same POI in my rifle. Reduce this load by at least 5% as a starting load, and stop increasing at the charge level where your rifle shoots best! I have also used 50 grains of IMR 4350 with the Sierra 180-grain .311 PSP flatbase bullet for a "mild" load. Have not chronographed this 180-grain load, as I use the 200-grain load for hunting with this rifle. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Thanks I appreciate it, I will try them both I will really need to keep in mind when I reload for this one I will be dealing with 2 different bullet diameters!!! I want to better the .308 winchester velocities,I have a chrono so I will let you know what I get with my 22" barrel. I do wish it had a 26" though!  If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Gentleman, I thank you all as I know it takes time to type in a load and proof read (hopefully) as we are dealing with contained explosions. I am sure everyone here would take to care to post it right the first time as I know I would. Thanks again I do appreciate it! If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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I have one load that is exceedingly accurate, but it's a slow, low pressure load for a 1891 Argentine Mauser. Speer 180 gr. RN, .311" bullet at 2230 FPS in my carbine. Powder is 43 gr. Reloader 15. No matter the weather it seems to shoot sub 1" groups at 100 yards. I'm sure the trajectory is like canon shot but I don't shoot this over about 150 yards due to peep sights and old eyes. Regards, Browningguy Houston, TX We Band of 45-70ers | |||
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El Deguello I worked up a load today with RL-15, I started at 43.0 grains and ended at 48.0 grains.I shot it thru my chronograph going 1 grain at a time until I hit 46.0 and then went half grain increments. Velocity is as follows in 4 shot averages. 43.0 2370 fps 44.0 2403 fps 45.0 2450 fps 46.0 2503 fps 46.5 2530 fps 47.0 2570 fps 47.5 2584 fps 48.0 2599 fps At 48 grains there was some pressure signs on the primer so I stopped. I chose to load the remainder at 47.3 grains of Rl-15. I had a pownd of this sitting on my shelf for awhile so I thought I would put it to use. I arrived at this data using burn rate charts and .308 Win data. RL-15 has a very close rate to H-380.Odd thing is Nosler and Hornady list a max load of 41.5 and 42.5. But Nosler lists 48.0 grains of H-380.  I will use your loads soon but I need to get a smaller expander ball for Lyman dies. I was using Remington 180 grain round nose (.311) bullets,CCI#250 primers and Norma brass. I will try to get ot on paper to see how accurate it is. If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Browningguy Thanks for the insight for the RL-15 load. After looking at it I hit the books and did the comparisons using the .308 as the nearest comparable cartridge. Hell this old cartridge deserves some credit.The .308 Win has no advantage on it. Ill bet the IMR-4350 will be Nudging the 2700 fps level. Thanks again If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Thanks for the info - I will be interested in your accuracy results from the RL 15 loads. It seems to me that your velocity results are in the .308 Winchester ballpark for this 180-grain load! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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