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| Buzz.
I am using a caliber very close to the 250. Mine is a wild cat called 25 Hunter an HBR cartridge. It shoots a 100gr bullet at 3190 ft/ from a 24" barrel. Recently I been using the triple shock bullets with incredible accuracy in both the 25 Hunter and the Ruger #1 25-06. I have not shot any game with that bullet yet but I will this week.
Since the case for the 25 Hunter is derived from a 250 Sav it uses H414 with super results. With a 100 gr bullet I use
43.5gr H414. Since I hunt in freezing weather I use magnum primers. Your 250 Sav will do well with that powder and the 100 gr triple Shock.
You will greatly straighten out your trajectory with that long sleak bullet, I load these bullets .010" into the lands for best accuracy in both my guns. I really don't think that the 25 bore needs anything heavier than 100gr.
You find the 25 Hunter and the 25-06 on my web site.
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| See my other post on 100 grain .257 TSXs. I like 'em so far! |
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| sounds like the perfect load for 250 and or 257 bob!!!
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| I use H380 and 100 gr Ballistic tips in a custom rem 600 250 savage....7 oklahoma deer have never taken a step. I couldn't ask for more. I also use the same load in a 14" pistol. |
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| Go with the 100 grain bullet and pick up the speed (ACCURACY FIRST OF COURSE) and then shoot a double lung type shot........they'll drop in their tracks like ya hit them in the head with a sledge hammer. |
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| Buzz I,m getting ready to build one of them myself. My first bullet of choice will be the Nosler Partition at 100 grains. Next will be the 100 gr TSX. I would not worry too much about velocity as the .250 will do around 3000 fps with that weight of bullet. I would suggest you ditch the Ballistic Tips however. I know somebody is going to have a hissy over that statement...  You need bullets that will hold together, not come undone. BT's may in fact work at the lower velocity ranges, but you will lose a deer sooner or later if you bump them up to the 3000 fps range. Plus, you're going to get a lot of bloodshot meat on the ones you don't lose. It's hard to beat a Partition. |
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| Thanks guys. I ordered a hundred of the Triple Shocks from Midsouth. They were only a dollar more than the Partitions and I figured I would give them a try. I've never used a Triple Shock so I figured it would be a good time to try them out. If they don't pan out I will go with the partitions. I need to pick up a couple of pounds of H414 for the powder. Barnes and Hodgdon show some impressive velocities with that powder in the .250 Savage. Hodgdon shows 3100 fps with a 100g bullet, but I don't know if that is very realistic or not.
DD - I hear you on the Ballistic tips. I've used them to kill a lot of animals but I ALWAYS use the heavy for caliber bullets in somewhat pedestrian cartridges. They seem to work great in cartridges like the 8mm Mauser, 7x57 mm, and the .30-06 where your muzzle velocities are between 2600 and 2800 fps. None of my loads break 3000 fps, many aren't even close. I've found the 100g .257 ballistic tip to be somewhat soft from my media tests. |
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| I completely disagree with you on the ballitic tips. What kind of thick skinned, big boned whitetails do you hunt? I shoot 85 gr BT's at 3800 in a 25.5" LH 257 weatherby mag and this gun and load has killed 32 Oklahoma and texas whitetails and I have never experienced the issues with bullets you are talking about. The base will always hold together even at extreme velocity.
How does medium taste? Ever shot any medium with good antlers? |
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| When I picked up my 700 Classic in 250 Sav almost 20 yrs ago, the Lyman data showed what was possible with this round. And my rifle loved the then-available Nosler 100gr Solid Base bullets, and IMR 4064 and 4320 provided 3000+ fps.
Also have succesfully used 120 Speers, primarily with Win760. Lately had been using 100 Hornadys, then lucked onto 2 sealed boxes of the Nosler 100 SB's! Plenty of horsepower for our typical TX whitetails.
Several sources indicate 760 and H414 are the same, with the same variables as lot-to-lot. My use indicates that to be true.
And I agree the new Barnes TripleShock 100 or 115 gr looks very promising, and if accurate for a given rifle, could be the end of load work for the 25 cal shooter desiring a deer load. |
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| Quote:
I completely disagree with you on the ballitic tips. What kind of thick skinned, big boned whitetails do you hunt? I shoot 85 gr BT's at 3800 in a 25.5" LH 257 weatherby mag and this gun and load has killed 32 Oklahoma and texas whitetails and I have never experienced the issues with bullets you are talking about. The base will always hold together even at extreme velocity.
How does medium taste? Ever shot any medium with good antlers?
You are using a bullet the manufacturer claims is a varmint bullet. If you want to go against their recommendations that is fine, but they recommend that bullet for varmints for a reason and I will choose a different bullet. I have shot many of the 85g ballistic tips out of a .25-06 and found them to explode even on varmints. Have you ever sectioned one of those bullets? The jacket is very thin on the 85g .257 bullet and IMO it is not a suitable hunting bullet. |
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| The reference to the medium/media is for Buzz that shoots that instead of game. I shoot a healthy dose of Reloader 22 behind the 85 grain BT. I have shot the BT as fast as 3950 but backed off for accuracy (.72) Buzz, the jacket is thin but the base, the cup, is thick enough to always stay together. You were worried about 100grain BT's at 3000fps...I wouldn't worry about 85's at 4000 for southern whitetails. I have shoot 75gr barnes X bullets in the past at 4100. I know about high velocity and shooting game. In addition to the 257 WM I have been shooting "varmints" of all sizes for 20 years with 25 grain bullets at 4100fps from a 17 rem. Shoot the animals....see what happens. |
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| i didn't mean to piss anybody off. Sorry for the attitude, just get tired of hearing how tough whitetails are. Off my soapbox....I have shot a lot of deer with a lot of guns and high velocity, light bullets put them on the ground where you shoot them more times than slower heavier bullets. Less blood trails to follow, less deer lost. Just personal experience from years of depridation permits on agricultural land. |
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| I shoot 100 gr BT w/ H380 powder from my .250. I have not chrono'd this load so I don't know what my velocity is. I shoot these from a 16 1/4" Encore Barrel. Accuracy has always been under 1" with my loads in this barrel.
As far as Ballistic Tips being soft, I agree they are. The only other Big Game round that I use Ballistic Tips in is my 350 Rem Mag Encore barrel. It is my understanding that from .308/180 up the jackets are thicker and they hold together and penetrate better. Again, this is a 20" barrel so my velocities are probably a little lower than the standard for the round.
My shorter barrels and lower velocities were the reasons I chose to shoot Ballistic Tips. In the 250 I doubt that I reach 2500 fps which I think makes that 100 gr Ballistic Tip a pretty good choice. I would love to hear how the TSX shoots though, because I'm always willing to try a new bullet. Sean |
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The reference to the medium/media is for Buzz that shoots that instead of game. I shoot a healthy dose of Reloader 22 behind the 85 grain BT. I have shot the BT as fast as 3950 but backed off for accuracy (.72) Buzz, the jacket is thin but the base, the cup, is thick enough to always stay together. You were worried about 100grain BT's at 3000fps...I wouldn't worry about 85's at 4000 for southern whitetails. I have shoot 75gr barnes X bullets in the past at 4100. I know about high velocity and shooting game. In addition to the 257 WM I have been shooting "varmints" of all sizes for 20 years with 25 grain bullets at 4100fps from a 17 rem. Shoot the animals....see what happens.
Just so you know, between a buddy and I we have killed 100 whitetails with Ballistic Tips. I was specifically referring to the 100g .257 BT in the original post as being soft. As I mentioned before, I like the Ballistic Tips for deer hunting in the heavier weights in .277 caliber and up. What I don't like is a bullet that reuqires me to have a perfect broadside or head shot to be 100% reliable, which IMO rules out lighter weight Ballistic Tips driven past moderade velocities. I'm not really sure I would trust ANY bullet at 4000 fps. |
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| I shoot 38 grains of H380 behind a 100gr BT in a 14" SSK 250 Savage. I haven't chrongraphed it in years but I was thinking it went about 2650 fps....I would have to check my book at home to be sure. |
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| Buzz, Have you had a BT fail to penetrate a whitetail shoulder or ribs? Just curious....maybe I am missing something. |
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You been tippin' the 3.2 again? 
