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15 March 2002, 14:25
Major Caliber
Shipping Ammo UPS?
I want to ship a box of .357 Sig ammo by UPS. Is their a surcharge for ammo?
15 March 2002, 15:14
ricciardelli
$20 plus shipping charges.

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15 March 2002, 15:57
<Shotone>
I thought the Hazardous Shipping Surcharge only applied to primers and powder. On the Cabela's and Midway websites they make no mention of additional shipping charges, other than the normal ones, for loaded ammunition.
15 March 2002, 16:58
jim81147
It does not make sense to me , but if you ship components ie; primers or powder , you have to pay hazmat fees but if you ship finished ammo you dont . Go figure.
15 March 2002, 17:02
<rifleman>
I just got some Win Supreme Ballistic Silver Tip ammo 223 40 gr and it was regular UPS shipping charges no hazmat.

Dave

15 March 2002, 20:56
DB Bill
The only restrictions I know of are that the ammo must go ground UPS (not air) and the box must be labeled "ORD" on the outside. No extra cost.
15 March 2002, 23:04
ricciardelli
Cartridges for weapons, inert
projectile or Cartridges, small arms 1.4C UN0339 u EXPLOSIVE 1.4C see 172.320 Forbidden None 62

From UPS...

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16 March 2002, 03:03
Major Caliber
thanks guys
16 March 2002, 06:46
dan belisle
Your local UPS office may see things differantly. When Lee in Idaho tried to send me some loaded ammo, UPS there were a no go. He finally had to tear the ammo down and send me the components, which made the local office happy. Weird, but it happened. (Thanks again Lee) If you can get copies of the rules and regs to take with you, you'll be better off. On the other hand, I've also had other shipments just sail right on through, no probelm at all. It seems to depend on what the local countermam thinks (or doesn't think) Good luck - Dan
16 March 2002, 09:21
HunterJim
I send and receive ammunition by UPS frequently; no additional charges apply.

I have not tried to send anything *ACROSS* the Canadian Border by UPS.

jim dodd

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16 March 2002, 10:51
old4x4
Just use the US Postal service. I HATE UPS. They're slow and way more expensive. I've shipped guns, ammo, etc without a problem...ever.
16 March 2002, 13:32
<Puddle>
Just shipped 250 rounds today via UPS air. Had it stamped ORD-M & told 'em what was inside. No problems.
16 March 2002, 14:20
<Tarpon-hunter>
As a UPS manager, I have been called to task many times by my shooting friends. Lets make a couple of points: Canada has vastly different rules than the US for shipping ammo, components and firearms. (If it is across the US border, unless the firearm, ammo or components - no powder or primers permitted - travels as accompanied baggage, it requires a license from the US Department of State as well.) As for the rules on loaded ammo vs. powder in the US, that is up to the US Department of Transportation. As for ammo, the label ORM or other regulated materials is sufficient on the ground see 49 CFR Section 172.200; anything moving by air, thats another story. (same CFR, differnt section)
17 March 2002, 04:42
dan belisle
Thanks T-H. Good to hear from someone "in the biz". I guess things will be differant when we're the 51st state. Take care - Dan
18 March 2002, 01:04
carcano91
quote:
Originally posted by old4x4:
Just use the US Postal service. I HATE UPS. They're slow and way more expensive. I've shipped guns, ammo, etc without a problem...ever.

I vastly prefer USPS too; however - and strictly speaking - ammunition is a "non-mailable item" under USPS regulations, and unambiguously so. It's different with guns. That doesn't mean that ammo wouldn't be mailed regularly in practice; however, you should know it is not really allowed.

Regards, Carcano

18 March 2002, 01:19
<Gary Rihn>
Ever since UPS changed their rules on shipping handguns (penalizing ME for THEIR employee theft problems), I haven't used them for anything.

When I did use them in the past, they trashed too many things anyway.

18 March 2002, 06:07
<Warren Jensen>
Men,

As I do this as part of my living, I will offer these thoughts.

Loaded ammo can be shipped UPS ground. If UPS shipped your ammo via an air route then they violated their own rules. Fed Ex will air freight ammunition. For UPS no hazardous paperwork is needed and no addition charges are added. If powders or primers, as components, are sent then the Hazmat applies.
For Fed Ex there is hazardous paperwork to fill out, for ammo.

For UPS it must be labeled ORM-D, with Cartridges, Small Arms underneath, on all four sides of the package. A square must be drawn around the ORM-D label. For Fed Ex it must be labeled ORM-D-Air and Cartridges, Small Arms underneath. Again, the square is required. Printed labels can be purchased if you do this a lot.

We often times encounter UPS personnel who do not know their own rules, so we have to explain them. Several times we have had to explain UPS procedures to the managers and to their own hazardous material support group who answer questions over the telephone. This is true of shipping ammunition and rifles.

For ammunition shipments across the border to Canada an export permit is required of the exporter and a license is required for each shipment. The exporter must also be registered, which is a $600 fee. If you are a manufacturer of ammunition and are registered you can ship across the Canadian border direct to the Canadian military with no license or permit, but there is a lot of paperwork involved to do this. There is a provision in the export regulations for a one time export of an item to Canada that does not require a license and permit. You must certify that you are not a manufacturer and that you are only doing this once. I have not exported under this rule so I don't know all the page and paragraph particulars. You will need to know these if you want to try to export a package this way. If you think UPS or USPS can get bogged down in their own rules, wait until you try working through an export or import shipment. Companies that export/import frequently employ whole staffs to do nothing but push through the paperwork and babysit the shipments.

The US Postal Service will not ship loaded ammo or components. Violating USPS rules can be a federal crime, so be careful here.

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18 March 2002, 06:41
carcano91
quote:
Originally posted by Warren Jensen:
The US Postal Service will not ship loaded ammo or components.

The latter half is legally incorrect through generalization.

Propellant and primers (as well as incendiary or explosive bullets) are non-mailable. Cases and ordinary bullets are (of course) perfectly mailable.

Carcano

19 March 2002, 13:49
500grains
Cacarno is right. Dummies (no powder or primer) are also mailable.