Has anyone here used Wolf primers?

I've been told that they are excellent primers that are super-consistent, more so than the benchrest primers supplied by CCI and Federal, and that they are available in large rifle magnum and regular, and small rifle magnum and regular.

I've been using the SRM primer for my AR and .30 carbine. Loaded about 2000 and shot about a 1000 of them, they've all gone bang. I've not been shooting off a rest recently, so I don't know if they or more or less accurate then CCI regular or BR.
I inspect them carefully in the primer tray before I start loading. Most of the anvils are purple, but a few aren't. Makes it look like they're missing on those. Primer compound is a light blue/green.

I've used Wolf in large and small pistol, small mag rifle and large rifle so far. I have no complaints. When I inspect them, to my eye they look more consistent than US made primers. Most of the people using them in target shooting claim lower standard deviations.

They do seem to leave more residue when you knock them out during resizing.

If you are using them in an AR or magnum, word is you need to order the SRM to get the heavier cup.

I'm currently working up a load for my 300 WM with the Wolf LRM primers. So far, all have gone bang. I've reached some pressure signs i.e sticky bolt lift, but have yet to see any piercings, etc.

If you load for an AR or 223, they also make a Wolf 223 primer. I've purchased some of these primers for my 223 but have yet to load or shoot any.

So far, I have no faults with them. Plus, they seem to be a bit cheaper than the more popular brands.

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Originally posted by Ammoloader:
When I inspect them, to my eye they look more consistent than US made primers.

What criteria do you use for this visual inspection?

I've only used the SRM primers and they gave me very similar accuracy and numbers compared to Rem 7 1/2.

I find that accuracy is very dependent on the primer lot # and powder you are using.

The Wolf 223 are their small rifle mag primers.

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Originally posted by BECoole:
The Wolf 223 are their small rifle mag primers.

Then why does Powder Valley have a listing for the Wolf 223 Primers and the Wolf Small Rifle Magnum Primers?

If they were the same, then they should be listed as one or the other. I purchased some of the 223 primers and they specifically say 223 on the boxes and not Small Rifle Magnum Primers.

link

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by Ammoloader:
When I inspect them, to my eye they look more consistent than US made primers.

What criteria do you use for this visual inspection?

Lack of holidays in primer compound, compound level and anvil level.

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Originally posted by Ammoloader:

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by Ammoloader:
When I inspect them, to my eye they look more consistent than US made primers.

What criteria do you use for this visual inspection?

Lack of holidays in primer compound, compound level and anvil level.

Holidays? I've never heard that term before.

Can you provide a link so I may learn how to perform this inspection to my own primers?

Holiday is a term I've heared used for a hole caused by an air pocket in paint, or other material that is applied wet then dries.

I don't have a reference to point you to. I simply pour them in a flipper pan and shake until they are all anvil up. I then use magnifying glass to look them over for any visual inconsistancy. I don't do this for every load because virtually all are of them are going to ignite. I try to do it for all long range loads. Any that look different get pushed away for less demanding uses.

Winchester, Western, Remington, Peters, Federal, CCI, Alcan, RWS, Herter's, Fiocchi, Magtech -- those are all of the brands I can recall offhand using in the last 45 years. I've never experienced any poor results from any of them. Wolf probably has adopted very similar manufacturing methods and priming compounds as the others, so they probably work, too.

Where is Wolf produced? Russia?

The Wolfs I've used have worked just fine. And yes, they are made in Russia.

I see a new line ,well how about an additional line from Tula! , which is also Wolf !

Wolf and Tula ,Barnual , possibly contracts with Prvi Partizan PPU for brass and Boxer primers ?.

It's nearly impossible to be absolutely certain of just " Who " is manufacturing what at any given point in

time !. Then what about Sellier & Bellot it contracts with ? and whichever company and their boxes !!!.

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/

http://www.prvipartizan.com/components.php

http://www.ab.ru/~stanok/eng/index.htm

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Originally posted by Ammoloader:
Holiday is a term I've heared used for a hole caused by an air pocket in paint, or other material that is applied wet then dries.

I don't have a reference to point you to. I simply pour them in a flipper pan and shake until they are all anvil up. I then use magnifying glass to look them over for any visual inconsistancy. I don't do this for every load because virtually all are of them are going to ignite. I try to do it for all long range loads. Any that look different get pushed away for less demanding uses.

Thanks.

Today this arizonan would rather see a primer from Russian than from the Republic of Kalifornia!!!!

I know that the steel case Wolf ammo has notoriously hard primers, but have heard that some of thier other ammo is of quite good quality. Have any of you noticed the primers being harder than say a Fed or Rem rifle primer? With most guns that would not be a problem, but i'm curious. I'd like to have some info to tell customers who ask and i have not exhausted my other supplies of primers yet so i haven't tried Wolf.

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Originally posted by graybird:

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Originally posted by BECoole:
The Wolf 223 are their small rifle mag primers.

Then why does Powder Valley have a listing for the Wolf 223 Primers and the Wolf Small Rifle Magnum Primers?

If they were the same, then they should be listed as one or the other. I purchased some of the 223 primers and they specifically say 223 on the boxes and not Small Rifle Magnum Primers.

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Apparently, something got lost in translation with the first batch of Wolf primers ordered and imported and "magnum" only referred to cup thickness. Once they got across to the Ruskies that they actually wanted a hotter compound they came out with the "223" primers which are what we normally consider "magnum".

Here's an email from Widener's regarding this topic:

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SR = standard charge (soft cup)
SRM = Nato style Primer, Standard charge(even though it says magnum
(hard cup) this is our best seller and most popular
SR-223 = Full blown Magnum primer with the hard cup.

Thank you for Choosing Widener's Reloading

WRSSI
Chris
wideners@wideners.com
1-800-615-3006
1-423-282-6651 (fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: BECoole [mailto:BEcoole@mymail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:35 AM
To: Wideners
Subject: Attn: Chris - Wolf Primers

Chris,
Wolf told me to talk to you about this.

What is the difference between the Wolf SR, SRM and SR-223 primers?

Thanks

BECoole,

Thanks for the info! So, it seems there is a slight difference between the 223 and SRM primers.

Thanks again for digging up the differences.

IIRC, David Tubb used Wolf Primers for the hand loads he used last year to win the Camp Perry Match he shot in.
Good endorsement I'd say. David Tubb is a HIGH class shooter.

Don

I have had a few wolf small and large pistol primers that didn't want to seat on Dillon progressive loaders. I don't know if anyone else has had anyh similar issues, and they all seem to go bang.

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I have had a few wolf small and large pistol primers that didn't want to seat on Dillon progressive loaders. I don't know if anyone else has had anyh similar issues, and they all seem to go bang.

May I inquire as to which brand of Brass did you notice trouble or was it across brands ?.

As I have Dillon equipment myself , I've not experienced any problems other than the necessity of making

absolutely sure the anvil pocket and the primer pocket are CLEAN !. With Brass of Military origin after

I use the Swage ,I do a slight Chamfering of the primer pocket . That was a MAJOR benefit in my case !.

As for Wolf primers I've only loaded maybe 400 rounds total of SR LR and have not seen any noticeably

negligible results in seating or accuracy . With Winchester , Federal and CCi's I've got a little bit more

experience with those over 44 years , into the Hundreds of thousands . The only primers that have ever

failed to ignite for any of my Rifles Pistols or Shotguns , have been CCi's and only # 4 .So that isn't

real awful !. FYI ; as for those CCi's that failed all were Large and Small pistol !.