Just wondering if anyone has data on the 400 gr speer and .458 Lott with this powder.

How did it go, what velocity did you get ??

[ 10-07-2003, 02:39: Message edited by: PC ]

PC,
Haven't tried it but I've sent you some published data for the 400gr Speer and AR2208 in the 458 Ackley. Let us know how it goes in your Lott.
Cheers...
Con

Ricciardelli,
Does your load data reflect changes made to powders over the years? The Hodgdon powders for example have changed over the last year or two, do you update your data when that happens or compensate in any way? Just wondering...
Thanks...
Con

Data on my pages is updated on almost a daily basis.

I do not test each and every lot of powder or any other component. The data posted is the data I obtained from firing. Some of the datat is from the 1960's and some is from a couple of months ago.

BUT...if you follow the FIRST rule of reloading...ALWAYS START LOW AND WORK-UP GRADUALLY...the data is good.

I had a Lott for awhile but I found it too much of a good thing. I loaded 75gr IMR4064 under the Speer 400gr for 2100fps from the 22" bbl. A nice practice load, but those 500gr bullets @ 2100fps, just too much gun for this old guy. I'm going over to the .404J team.

Folks after looking at the data Con sent me I have purchased some AR2206 similar to IMR 3031.

This makes sense using a slighlty quicker powder when you consider it's a straight wall case and being for all intensive purposes an extended version of the 45/70 & .458 win mag which when looking at the data benfit from quicker powders, then moving one powder slower up from AR2207/IMR4198 to accomadate the longer case seems like the best answer to obtaining good lott velocities.

Faster to slower:

127 IMR-3031
128 Benchmark 1
129 S-335
130 SP-9
131 RL-10
132 IMR-4895
133 Benchmark 2
134 SP-7
135 AA-2230
136 H-335
137 N-134
138 R-902
139 TAC
140 Brigadier 3032
141 AA-2460
142 H-4895
143 N-135
144 SP-10
145 RL-12
146 AA-2495
147 IMR-4320
148 AR-2206

Now, where did you get the idea that those two powders are "similar"?

From the table at the back of this little ADI book there is a refernce chart matching powders of similar burning rates, I no it's a guide and all and IMR3031 was near AR2206.

Ric would you reccomend AR2206 at all for the Lott ??

For the .458 Lott with a 400 grain bullet I would recommend:
H-4895 From 80.0 grains to 85.0 grains
Federal 215 Primer

I just took another look at ADI's powder rate chart, and the first thing that jumped at me was that they claim that Red Dot is "equivalent" to their AS-30N and to their AP-50N. Then they claim that AP-50N is "equivalent" to Green Dot. To carry this a little further down the road, it would then be "safe" to assume that AS-30N is "equivalent" to AP-50N? And that Red Dot is "equivalent" to Green Dot? "I don't think so, Tim."

(If you don't watch Tool Time, forget the last quote...)

[ 10-08-2003, 01:06: Message edited by: ricciardelli ]

PC,
From the table at the back of this little ADI book there is a refernce chart matching powders of similar burning rates, I no it's a guide and all and IMR3031 was near AR2206.
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Be very careful when you look at "same burning rate" for powders in a reference chart. The componants used by firms are different from on to an other; so "real" burning rate isn't the same. Start by min loads and experience by yourself in adding 0.5 to 1 gr to reach a max load. just my 0.02 cts

Thanks folks,

steve H 4895 is not availabe in Australia it's sort of ADI powders or none at all.

Beer007 thanks mate I will make sure I follow safe practices I just wish I new which was the better powders to start with AR2208 or AR2206

AR-2206 is "similar" to:
145 RL-12
146 AA-2495
147 IMR-4320
148 AR-2206
149 TU-3000

AR-2208 is "similar to:
150 W-748
151 IMR-4064
152 Brigadier 4065
153 AA-2520
154 N-202
155 RL-15
156 AR-2208
157 N-140
158 R-903
159 S-341
160 TU-5000
161 Varget

H-4895 is "similar" to:
140 Brigadier 3032
141 AA-2460
142 H-4895
143 N-135
144 SP-10

You mentioned IMR-3031 in one of your earlier posts...

So, IMR-3031 is "similar" to:
125 N-133
126 Brigadier 4197
127 IMR-3031
128 Benchmark 1
129 S-335
130 SP-9

Now...are you totally confused?

If I were in your position, where the only powders available were ADI, then I would probably start with AR-2207 (you missed that one).

AR-2207 is "similar" to:
111 H-4198
112 IMR-4198
113 RL-7
114 AR-2207
115 N-125
116 S-321
117 TU-2000

And I would probably start around 55.0 grains and work up gradually to probably around 66.0 grains (give or take a little...depending on accuracy, pressure and velocity).

H4895 is made in Australia by ADI. It is similar to (perhaps identical to) AR 2206.
Perhaps you should contact ADI and ask if they're the same powder.