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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Most North American AR members view CIP as a European organization similar to SAAMI. It is far more than that. It had 8 European member countries when it was founded a few days before WW1 began. It now has 14 member countries, including the UAR and Chile.

To obtain and retain membership, each member country must

-pass a law forbidding the sale of any firearm that has not been proved by a CIP certified proof house,

- restrict ammunition sales to that which is manufactured in accord with CIP pressure and dimension standards and is tested by CIP to assure it meets those standards. (This effectively bans the sale of handloaded ammo in CIP countries.)

It is of note that the proof house which exists in the country where CZ rifles are made has vbeen de-certified by CIP (due to the legal dissolution of Yugoslavia as a country), so those rifles must be proved in another nearby country's CIL approved proof house in order to be legally sold in any CIP member country.


Even more interesting to me is the following:

"The NATO military alliance uses a NATO specific recognized class of procedures to control the safety and quality of firearms ammunition called NATO EPVAT testing. The civilian organizations C.I.P. and SAAMI use less comprehensive test procedures than NATO, but NATO test centres have the advantage that only a few NATO chamberings are in military use. The C.I.P. and SAAMI proof houses must be capable of testing hundreds of different chamberings requiring lots of different test barrels, etcetera.

"For all other small arms ammunition for use in "non-NATO Chamber" weapons, NATO has chosen to conform to the procedures as currently defined by the C.I.P."

CIP does grant exceptions to its rules for military and police-type organizations, so NATO countries could use non-CIP standards ammo if they wished, but obviously NATO has chosen to comply.

Makes me wonder what the future holds for us reloaders now that both NATO and the South American country of Chile are recognizing CIL's authority....especially now that Obama wants the US Congress to ratify his signing of the UN arms control treaty.


(For those who want to read more on this, here is the Wikipedia info on CIL...or they can go directly to the CIP site instead of using this link to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...C3%A0_Feu_Portatives
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BTW those are the same countries that let mad cow disease get on the loose, kill a bunch of people and wipe out their cattle industry. They almost screwed around and let the rest of the world become infected with that plague.
And not only that they also allowed the use of thalidomide without sufficient testing and caused thousands of horrible birth defects.
Countries were once afflicted by monarchies seem to have this insatiable appetite for central control of all things. Yet a government bureaucrat is almost immue from being held responsible for any mistake. What good are they?

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And not only that they also allowed the use of thalidomide without sufficient testing and caused thousands of horrible birth defects.