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I went to the range today with my brother and my oldest buddy Sam to zero a few rifles that I had completed load work up on. I'm not sure which to use with the 338-06. The 210 TTSX's and Varget are a bit tighter but the 210 TSX's and RL15 are a bit faster. I zeroed with the TSX's but I can repeat a zero for the TTSX's in just 5 clicks right.....I checked and it works at 100 so which would you go with? Does the small increase in speed really matter for most hunting applications? TTSX's  TSX's (  Range  My brother Wes shooting my 338-06  Sam waiting to shoot (He said the 338 kicked a little more that his service weapon  ) Bruz "Honor,Courage and Character" NRA Lifetime Member | ||
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I would opt for the slightly higher velocity. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, The Barnes Manual states 2,689fps for the RL15 load and I averaged 2,629 with a 23" Barrel. Are the numbers usually that close? I just got my Chrony last week and am feeling my way right now. Robert Bruz "Honor,Courage and Character" NRA Lifetime Member | |||
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I doubt you will ever see the difference between a the size of the two groups. Since this is not a target or long range varmint rifle I'd be happy with the second load choice. As to the velocity being close to book. I've had some that close others not within 150fps. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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There's a few .338-06 loads on this thread as well. click here /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Two things about bookloads... They are almost always out of 24 in bbls and assume 30 fps loss per inch and... ...they are a guide at best, they are only valid for that barrel +/- 75 fps is not uncommon Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I would try the old favorites 4064 and 4320 with the 210's. My new favorite is Ramshot Big Game. It is the most accurate and will hit 2800 fps in mine, it will also hit 2800 fps with 56 gr 4064 and the 210 TSX. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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Honestly, I would choose neither and keep working up loads if it were my 338-06. My load run 2825fps for 210gr TSX's & Varget. This is right at max in my rifle. 2730fps for 210gr NP's and 200gr Horn SP's, these are both about two grains under max for Rel 15. They both shoot to the same POI in two different rifles. | |||
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SD, There is no way I can hit 2,800+ with book max loads with either powder. How long are your barrels? In my load work up with Varget/TTSX's and RL15/TSX's the faster they were moving the larger the groups became. I hunt in GA and Alabama and most of my shots will be sub 200 yards so I am not motivated to decrease accuracy for the sake of velocity. One of these is my load for this year and at this point I believe that the RL15 and standard TSX's is the load I'm going with. Thanks for the input, Robert Bruz "Honor,Courage and Character" NRA Lifetime Member | |||
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Bruz, Don't worry about trying for more speed.. The 338 210 TSX with RL15 at your current velocity will hammer whitetails and hogs... Go practice and have fun. Good Huntin' Cheers | |||
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Kreyten, Thanks and I'm not....The accuracy means much more to me than speed. Once the season is over I may try some other powder/bullet combinations though. Robert Bruz "Honor,Courage and Character" NRA Lifetime Member | |||
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Every rifle is diff. when it comes to vel. TSX are very finicky about seating depth. I would play w/ the RL15 load & try closer & farther from the lands. The group as is works quite well for a big game round. I prefer the 210grNP in my 338-06. With 22 1/2"bbl. getting 2750fps doesn't bend anything using RL15 or H4350. My rifle is very finiky but getting 1" 3 shot groups is pretty regular w/ the 210grNP & I'm happy w/ that. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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Bruz, My barrel is only 22", but it is relatively easy to get the velocities mentioned. I think it is a "fast" barrel. As much as I hate that phrase. Either of the loads you posted will work. Go forth and put some critters on the ground. If you miss,  I don't think it will be the rifle's fault.  | |||
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