seeking loads for same to be used in a mid 20's era sauer drilling. would like info on 170 and 196/200 grain bulett loadings with IMR or hodgdon powders. also any thoughts on slugs/ buck shot loaded into 2 1/2" 16 ga Rst hulls. have 16 ga. slug mold but need data for components. i think brenneke slugs available from old western scrounger. my mold is a lyman. thanks for your time and knowledge--cb

You will use .318 bullets, I hope. Available from Sellier&Bellot, RWS and Norma. Original was ~ 196 grs JRN. Do you have the correct expander ball?

Sounds like a fine gun. Start loading up, the gun will open hard if pressures go up. Consider S & B factory ammo for collecting cases.

Have fun! Hermann

CB, make sure you pay attention to Hermann's note: this gun is *not* bored to accept .323 cal bullets! So no "just getting some 8mm bullets and have at it"... :-)

Another minor warning: Drillings - in particular of that age - should be treated with some respect when loading! They are simply not as strong as bolt actions, say. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, in which case you'll have to forgive me :-) It would be a pity to find that a load was too hot for the gun, and did irreparable damage over time. Btw, have you had the gun checked by a smith - sometimes old Drillings tend to be grow a bit loose...

If you are willing to accept some German load data (RWS powder only, I'm afraid), and if you drop me a line with your snail-mail address, I can forward you a copy of the RWS load data for this cartridge.

Good luck - mike

thanks for the advice guys. already have some rws info, thanks any way. any words of wisdom on the slug loadings? with 2 1/2" chambers, it will take a hand loading with europen specs that i don't have access to. i'm not to cheap to purchase reference materials if someone can point the direction.

Rackettc,

I looked at some loads in a Pacific Manual for the 8X57 Rimmed and they are a little hot in my opinion. My opinion on this is just that and I stay on the safe side and maybe too safe.

But the loads listed for the 8X57 at the IMR site look just right for our purposes. http://www.imrpowder.com

Of course we must use .318" bullets.

don
took a look at the imr data on this site and agree that it has a lot of value. if i could now find a source for slug/round ball load data, i would be a happy camper.

any other advice from this forum would be greatly appreciated, esp. about "buck and ball", and slugs. i know the european contingent has some wexperience with boar and slugs. i can get the brenneke, i just don't have data for loading in the 2 1/2" hull. how about it?????

Rackettc,

I am trying to think of an easy way for you to make a sizing die to swage the .321" 170 gr bullets to .318". I made mine out of a blank 30/06 FL die that I got unfinished. I drilled a .318" hole in the top of it and polished it and made a pusher from a brass rod. I made a piece of steel to go where the shell holder goes on the ram for the pusher.

I can't help you on the shotgun shells. The only ones I have ever loaded were brass shells.

don
check out this sight. i have a die from him to size down .358 to .354 for use in a 9.3x72 with a groove of 0.354. the money is right.

wta@rebeltec.net

thanks--cb

I would recommend to try to get original .318 bullets. Sice you want to hunt with that rifle ( or do you intend target shooting? ;-)), don�t risk any problems with jacket springback.

How many slugs do you intend to shoot? I will be thrown out of this forum, but buy S & B or RWS ( Geco, Rottweil ) slugs marked 16/65 or 16/67. I have one of those chamberings, too ( Ferlacher O/U, 7x57R, 16/65 ) and have checked: both these markings are definitely o.k, and give up hardly anything energywise to the 16/70. And these original Brenneke slugs DO kill.

Load up for the rifle barrel, but do the easy way for the shotgun.

Have fun, Hermann

Before I did anything I would slug the bore and know where I stood beforing firing a shot. the Europeans and English were famous for mixing bore size...It is simple and answers all questions...Huntingtons has bullets in 318 diameter and brass also.

And also measure the shotgun chambers. Mine is market the metric 2 1/2" but the chambers are a full 3"! I suspect they were reamed out here.

[ 06-15-2002, 03:53: Message edited by: Don Martin29 ]

hey boys
been in ala for 2 days r&r. the arm will be shipped to me this week. ahead of the curve, got a box of dkt from huntington out of box tonight (196 GR WITH A DIA. 0F .318). also a shipment from them of a 0.318 expander. dies due tuesday from midway. also in mail was a mint ideal(lyman) 16 ga slug mold. due in next is 5 boxes of s&b 8x57jr from j-mar enterprises. how about a source to purchase the s&b 65 or 67mm slugs from? have a 1/2 case of rst mixed 71/2 and 8 on shelf. mr atkinson, have cerrosafe sitting beside heat source, waiting for the chamber. know shotshell chambers are 21/2. need data on round balls or forster type slugs. would purchase same if someone could give a source. the only paper i shoot is to know where arms hit at about 75 yds. use a bassistic program from there to know what to expect. then confirm expectations in a long creek bottom(friends'cow pasture). i need help with the slug boys. got an invite to ne. ark for bucks and ducks in nov. see graf's has bismuth on close out. have data from rg's group on the gunshop.com site for low pressure bismuth. i need slug and buckshot data please