How many XXX pills are you getting down the tube before accuracy falls off and you have to do a thorough cleaning?

Have you found they like a little fouling?

Thanks,

Reloader

I have shot hundreds of triple shocks in 264, 270, 30-06, 300, and 338. I just noticed the problem you are talking about recently when I was at the range trying to hit a specific velocity to match the scope reticle with my 270. It was shooting about 3/4" to 1" which is unusual since it normally shoots 1/4" to 1/2". But the thing was that the velocity was higher than I expected given that I had only gone up .2 grains in the load. So I cleaned it at the bench with Barnes CR10, not a real thorough cleaning. The accuracy went back to 1/2" and the velocity fell 125 fps.

How many rounds had I shot before cleaning. I'm not sure, but at least 16 in that range session. Had I cleaned it at home before going to the range. I don't think so because of time constraints. If I had not cleaned it, add another 20 to that.

I will watch it more closely in the future but I don't think it will happen again since I found Wipe Out. It's just too easy to clean the guns now.

Woods,

What's your process for Wipe Out? I've seen it and wondered if it worked.

I'm not a big fan of Barnes Bullets but, These TSs are very accurate in my 7mm Weatherby and I think they are going to be a good Elk load.

After putting about 20 down the tube, I noticed some very visble copper fouling and groups were'nt as good as the first few. Groups seem to open alittle but, not much. Heck we all have shaky days at the range.

Thanks,

Reloader

Reloader, I have noticed that pattern you mention, that the groups open up a little, and then in my case they actually settle back down, after say 8-12 more shots. So yes, It seems in my case they like a little fouling.

I then see pretty good stable results for about 35-40 shots, maybe 60 shots total. At that point my barrel looks pretty orange, so I usually clean it then. I don't ever seem to shoot more than that on a given day with a given rifle due to waiting for the barrel to cool. Sometimes if I spend a long day at the range, but not usually.

The triple x's sure shoot well for me, without being real picky about other load variables.

WIpe Out has been a big disappointment with me. I've YET to clean a rifle with just one application, some went as many as seven or eight. Today was a perfect example. Yesterday I thoroughly cleaned my 300 Win with Wipe Out AND Sweets until white patches came out. Today I went to the range and fired three factory Rem Core Lockts, three 180gr Partitions and three Triple Shocks. Came home and applied Wipe Out. After one hour (as per the directions) the patch came out a deep blue. So I applied if again and this time I'll wait 24hrs. I'll bet you that tomorrow, I'll have to finish up with Sweets. jorge

JORGE--I'll bet the overnight will be the charm. I don't bother with less than overnight. Go to the range--shoot 3 guns for an afternoon. Come home put in the wipeout and let sit overnight. Plunge it out in the morning. In the morning you will think someone broke a blue sharpies marker in your barrel cause thats what it looks like when it comes out!! Maybe a rough barrel gun will take another overnighter--darn there goes another 5 minutes out of my life.........doesn't get better than that.

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Originally posted by Reloader:
Woods,

What's your process for Wipe Out? I've seen it and wondered if it worked.

The thing I like about Wipe Out is that it easy to apply and you can leave it in as long as you want. In other words, I went shooting Friday and shot 3 guns. All TSX loads. Came back and took the bolts out of the 3 guns, took the can of wipe out and insert the tip in the muzzle and spray for one second NO MORE. Have a rag under the muzzle and drop the can on the rag and immediately cover the muzzle with your finger. If you are quick, you can cover it before the foam starts to back out. With your finger over the muzzle lean over and watch your chamber. When you see the foam expanding at the chamber take your finger off the muzzle. A little foam will drip onto the rag but the foam stops expanding and will stand by itself after about 5 - 10 seconds. Wipe the muzzle off and go set the gun down on a flat surface. Do all the rest of the guns the same way.

Now, go watch TV, reload some bullets, read the forums, argue with the wife, whatever. It doesn't matter when you continue. Take a patch and a jag or wrap it around a brush and run it through whenever you get back to it. Leave it overnight, it doesn't matter. It will push out dark blue for the first few times. Do it again. Set it down, forget about it. One of my guns I repeated it about 5 times until last night it came out only very pale blue after about 3 hours. Next patch clean. I KNOW that gun is CLEAN.

In other words, it just doesn't seem to be a hassle. No scrubbing and one can will probably last 6 months.

Be sure and monitor your velocity and see what's happening with the TSX's. I usually shoot 2 at a time before I set it back in the rack so it can cool and pick up another gun. Want to know where that 2nd shot may go. But the velocity always seems to increase with the first bullet of the next 2 shots by about 10 fps. That could mean 100 fps increase in 20 shots. I would like to see if anyone else notices this.

Reloader, I notice that you say get ballistic tips. I finally broke down today and got some 165 grainers for my 30-06 (lightweight Sauer). I can't get it to shoot better than 1" with the TSX. Thinking about trying RL19 and Fed 210M primers. Any tips on loading these ugly things (hate plastic tips)

no experience with TS's,..but an overnight treatment of Wipe-Out will clean anything I have ever seen in a bore.

Reloader,

I have shot as many as 24 TSX's with no noticable loss of accuracy or increase in velosity over my chrony. I usually clean up with several patches of Butch's Bore Shine (till they come out clean) and a little dab of Butch's Bore Shine Oil to finish it off.

Often I seem to get more fouling near the muzzle for some reason. When the patches get tight I usually run a couple of pathces with JB's through it and then more Bore Shine and that's all.

Floridabigfish,

I figure that's probably about the most I'll be able to get between cleanings.

I've got about 24 down the tube right now and it's looking pretty orange towards the muzzle. I'll probably go ahead and clean it out before my next range session.

Reloader

I'm guessing that depends a lot on your barrel. The barrel on my Kimber shows very little fauling after work up (21 shots). But then, I don't intend to shoot more than a couple at a time once the load is
developed. I practice with Hornady and Seirra but hunt only with Barnes X....and it hasn't taken more than one hit so far.

Kraky; Tried the overnight (24hrs) FIVE TIMES before it got clean. That to me is unsatisfactory. I've yet to have one gun come clean even after just two treatments. I guess it does work, but definetly not as adverstised. jorge

I have tried it in 3 rifles now and it has worked like a charm in 2 of them and not as well in a third. I did leave it overnight in a Remington 700 and it did look like there was a blue sharpy bused in the bore when it came out but after several more applications it just flat out wouldn't get the rest of the stuff out. Mind you I cannot be too upset because this is what came out AFTER using Butch's Bore Shine.

Jorge,

How did you apply FIVE 24-Hour treatments in ONE DAY?

Can I borrow your time machine?