funny thread.....HOTTER?

27 August 2010, 19:41

Here's a thread from another forum

Can anyone tell me WTF is meant by "HOTTER"?

27 August 2010, 19:57

Kabluewy

Sometimes the word is pronounced as "Hutter", depending on the part of the country the redneck is from.

27 August 2010, 22:36

Low Wall

That's funny vapo, as you seem to understood what he meant by "hotter" on the thread in the link when you answered his question..
Must be a slow day for you to be going around ridiculing others, eh?..

28 August 2010, 00:10

homebrewer

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:

Can anyone tell me WTF is meant by "HOTTER"?

After reading the thread in question, my opinion is that one powder produces more pressure and velocity than an equal amount of the other. I can't see it any other way.

28 August 2010, 00:32

Antelope Sniper

Higher Pressure, Hotter, faster, will blow primers first....all means the same thing.

Personally, I don't see anythign funny about a guy receiving misinformation about burn rates. Unless the burn rates have significantly changed, IMR 4350 is Hotter, faster, will blow primers and gasses in your face sooner, then H4350. I hope he works up carefully

28 August 2010, 00:53

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by homebrewer:
my opinion is that one powder produces more pressure and velocity than an equal amount of the other. I can't see it any other way.

hey man.. with humor, have you EVER read a reloading book? if pressure exactly equaled velocity, then ALL the max loads of a caliber would result in the same pressure ... as all the loads listed (except for reduced) are loaded to a a pressure (max-lawyer safety) .. otherwise, h4895 at 60,000 psi would give you identical results of rel22 at 60,000 in the 30-06 with 180s (i use this example as it is the most drastic)

or, you can go to hodgedon's reloading data and see this EXACTLY with pressures listed...

"pressure" isn't the end all be all .. if 60k psi resulted in X velocity, we'd all be loading bullseye to 60k and calling it good.

if you load a 308 and a 3006 to the same pressure, which goes faster? the 30-06, of course, but they are loaded to the same PRESSURE

work = area under the curve of pressure over time .. exert LESS pressure over a longer time, you might wind up with a faster load ... 505gibbs vs 495 a2 for example ...

and its non-linear .. slow powder making 60k psi in a short barrel results in LOW vels, as compared to a longer barrel, within reason, of course

in short, higher pressure doesn't mean higher vels ... a higher WORK ammount does, every time, in the same caliber/barrel

and we aren't even taking friction, starting pressure and bullet/barrel hardness into account yet

28 August 2010, 01:25

temmi

It looks better in a skirt

28 August 2010, 01:28

Antelope Sniper

quote:
and its non-linear .. slow powder making 60k psi in a short barrel results in LOW vels, as compared to a longer barrel, within reason, of course

You have no idea how hard it is to get that through some peoples thick skulls.

29 August 2010, 02:05

homebrewer

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by homebrewer:
my opinion is that one powder produces more pressure and velocity than an equal amount of the other. I can't see it any other way.

hey man.. with humor, have you EVER read a reloading book? if pressure exactly equaled velocity, then ALL the max loads of a caliber would result in the same pressure ... as all the loads listed (except for reduced) are loaded to a a pressure (max-lawyer safety) .. otherwise, h4895 at 60,000 psi would give you identical results of rel22 at 60,000 in the 30-06 with 180s (i use this example as it is the most drastic)

or, you can go to hodgedon's reloading data and see this EXACTLY with pressures listed...

"pressure" isn't the end all be all .. if 60k psi resulted in X velocity, we'd all be loading bullseye to 60k and calling it good.

if you load a 308 and a 3006 to the same pressure, which goes faster? the 30-06, of course, but they are loaded to the same PRESSURE

work = area under the curve of pressure over time .. exert LESS pressure over a longer time, you might wind up with a faster load ... 505gibbs vs 495 a2 for example ...

and its non-linear .. slow powder making 60k psi in a short barrel results in LOW vels, as compared to a longer barrel, within reason, of course

in short, higher pressure doesn't mean higher vels ... a higher WORK ammount does, every time, in the same caliber/barrel

and we aren't even taking friction, starting pressure and bullet/barrel hardness into account yet

Let me explain it to you this way: 100 grains of IMR-4227 generates more pressure than 100 grains of Hodgdon H4227. I have no idea if there is such an identified powder from either manufacturer, I'm just using identical numbers to make the point that an equal amount of IMR Powder X123 may or may not produce more pressure, energy and velocity than Hodgdon Powder X123. I'm really quite surprised that you-- one who knows it all-- missed that very simple and obvious point...

29 August 2010, 05:33

Sam

100 grains off 4227 equals 9.7 of Blue Dot

29 August 2010, 07:14

homebrewer

quote:
Originally posted by Sam:

100 grains of 4227 equals 9.7 of Blue Dot

I thought Blue Dot was considered the "Powder of Death." Use it at your peril. Grown men have died using it. It's not healthy for little children and other living things. It will make you fat. It will give you cancer. It will make you raise your opinion of your mother-in-law. All kinds of bad things, you know...

29 August 2010, 08:13

ted thorn

When somebody says funny I hope to laugh...not funny.

29 August 2010, 08:19

seafire/B17G

quote:
Originally posted by homebrewer:
quote:
Originally posted by Sam:

100 grains of 4227 equals 9.7 of Blue Dot
I thought Blue Dot was considered the "Powder of Death." Use it at your peril. Grown men have died using it. It's not healthy for little children and other living things. It will make you fat. It will give you cancer. It will make you raise your opinion of your mother-in-law. All kinds of bad things, you know...

Yes it will!! Hot Bore use to use it, and looked what happened to him!

29 August 2010, 09:22

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by homebrewer:
I'm just using identical numbers to make the point that an equal amount of IMR Powder X123 may or may not produce more pressure, energy and velocity than Hodgdon Powder X123.

you are just kinda babbling .. don't make up things to make up stuff to mke up the other.. you aint making any sense, nor are you contraditing me .. vels relate to work, not pressure

quote:
Originally posted by homebrewer:

I'm really quite surprised that you-- one who knows it all-- missed that very simple and obvious point...

what point do you mean? the one you invented AFTER i posted? you said pressure AND vel ... and, frankly, i tried very nicely to explain it in small words and terms, with reference to things close to one, east to verify .. and you give me this crap? .. take a hike... if you don't GET IT the you really shouldn't be reloading.

ya'll take care

29 August 2010, 09:50

homebrewer

quote:
...if you don't GET IT the you really shouldn't be reloading.

But I shall continue to do so. You take care...

29 August 2010, 19:25

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by homebrewer:
quote:
...if you don't GET IT the you really shouldn't be reloading.

But I shall continue to do so. You take care...

I know. Like home mixing powders, some things you'll just do, regardless of requested advice. Bad info gets people hurt. Try to avoid that

29 August 2010, 20:01

R D McMillan

quote:
It looks better in a skirt

AND---if its a short skirt---your hotter, she's cooler!!

Ah hell---must be close to a full moon!!!