has anyone any experience of reloading this calibre?
I was thinking about a 7mm rem mag but thought it a bit of overkill on the smaller deer that we have here in the UK,the 270 wetherby would be perfect for the reds!and not to sore on the roe/fallow.

I am thinking about rebarreling my l/a savage, would I have a problem with the length of a loaded round in the mag?

regards

griff

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Originally posted by griff:
I was thinking about a 7mm rem mag but thought it a bit of overkill on the smaller deer that we have here in the UK,the 270 wetherby would be perfect for the reds!and not to sore on the roe/fallow.

griff

Griff, I personally think there will be very little difference in terms of bloodshot meat between the two calibers. If anything, the .270 Wby might actually give you a tad MORE bloodshot meat than the 7mm Rem Mag. The difference in bullet diameter is negligible, but the .270 Wby is often loaded to higher velocities than the 7mm Mag. Naturally, if you go up in bullet weight...

A .270 Win might be less destructive than a 7mm Rem Mag, but sad to say, my favourite .270 Win is actually a tad hard on the meat...

- mike

Griff,

Yes, I've loaded for the 270 Wea. and it's a great round but, I'm w/ Mike on this one, If anything it's more destructive to meat simply due to the higher velocity it produces. It's a heck of a flat shooter and will pulverize game animals but, if you want less damage, you may want to stick w/ a standard velocity cart.

Good Luck!

Reloader

Personally I think the 7MM Rem Mag is a better cartridge and it CAN be loaded down as well.....you don't have to push it to 65,000 PSI.

I also think you'll get considerably less meat loss using the bigger bullets...eg the 175 grain bullets.

I had a .270 Weath for about 12 yrs no real regrets, also had (2)270win at the same time, I would have another based on nostalgia,common sense though, tells me 270win, or 7mm Rem Mag if you intend pushing the heavier pills.

I have shot a 270 Weatherby but never owned one. Great caliber. But not great enough to me to buy one.

I own a 7mag and 3 270 Wins.

I cannot comment on meat damage because I'm not one who gives a ____. Personally by the time I worry about 3" diameter of bloodshot meat, that to me equates to about 2 bites once it's grilled. My lacrimal glands just can't seem to function enough to muster up tears on that topic.

A 7 mag with a nice 140 or 150 grain bullet at medium speeds or the 270 Win at medium speeds, are, in my opinion, perfectly suitable for you area. And if I am choosing between the 2, it should be obvious that I'd take the 270 Win. Any animal weighing less than 400 pounds and hit in front of the diaphragm out to 400 yards is going to die.

I also do not think you'll notice any difference between any of the standard .277 bullet weights out to 300 yards (130, 140, 150). In terms of kill efficiency.

Regarding the 7 mag....well, you stuff it with a nice bullet like a Swift Scirocco or TSX or partition, and dinner is served.

Vapodog mentioned the bigger 175 bullet and yes, this is an excellent choice but given the noticeable difference in recoil (if you are sensitive), then stick with the flatter shooters, like 140-150.

I witnessed a Kansas buck fall to the 7 mag and 150 Scirocco at 312 yards. No meat damage, pass through, 3" hit behind shoulder, broadside, and the deer trotted wrecklessly about 10 yards and rolled over on it's back and died. I distinctly remember the "whack" when the bullet hit, sounded like bone. I've heard a lot of "whacks" but this one was loud.

Now I have a load worked up using IMR4350. Will take it to Missouri and Kansas this year.

I bought three Winchesters in 1993, a 7m/m Remington magnum, 338 Winchester magnum, and a 270 Weatherby magnum. Only one of the three remains with me to date...the 7m/m. .284" just offers more choices, period.

The 270 wby is a very good cartridge, but has only two real advantages over the 270 Winchester, range and the ability to drive 150/160 grain bullets fast. It offers nothing the 7m/m Remington magnum can't do better.

What you didn't say was what cartridge you current rifle was chambered for. If it is already chambered for the .473" case, I'd be looking for something like the 7X64, or 280 Remington just to be different. There probably aren't a lot of 280s in the U.K.(and it is only recently getting the attention it deserves in the U.S.) and you would be among the small minority of us "in the know." It is a good round, and extremely potent when handloaded.
Good huntin'

Buckshot,
chambered in the venerable 25-06, shot a large red about amonth ago and it didn't exit (250yds), it walked a few paces into heavy cover and was a real bitch to find.There was no pins or blood trail,I actually thought I had missed it!!!
good quality bullet(120gn hornady interbond)but just not enough puff...
so thought of 7mm and the 270weatherby.. A friend of mine shoots a 7mm rem mag on roe and never complains about meat damage.
So now the dilemma, 7mm or 270 weatherby, will have to weigh up the pro's and con's espially the availability of 270 weatherby cases...

regards

griff

Griff-
the 25-06 has "puff", what it lacks however, is mass (heavy bullets). I know others will argue, but I criticize the various 270s for the same reason when coupled with 130 grain bullets. Therein lies the very reason they can make humongous holes.

It is not a matter of power (aka puff) as both the 25-06 and 270 Winchester share the same parent case, rather it is the lack of bullets tough enough to take impact velocities at or above 3000FPS. Wonderful long range numbers, but not the best when used up close (less than 150yds). I always recommend premium bullets for these two calibres, and this is where the monolithics, like Barnes's TSX, shine.

The 280 Remington (.284") shares the same case as the other two with the shoulder moved forward somewhat. It offers a bullet selection second only to .30 calibre, and would not cost you extra to have the bolt face opened up if you choose to rebarrel.

I like the 25 calibre, and use 100 and 117 grain bullets in the .257 Roberts. That would be a good choice too, but probably doesn't have enough oomph (aka puff) for the reds as it is based on the smaller 7 m/m mauser case.

I don't know if you can legally possess 30-06 calibre in your area since it is an old military calibre, however it is suitable for anything that can't eat you. It's also my favorite!

good huntin'

Buckshot,
couldn't agree more! probably the wrong analagy "puff" should of been energy/momentum.
Don't know why they don't make a bullet with a better BC so that down range its carrying more energy.
I have always been a fan of shoot em fast rather than heavy and slow, but now beginning to realise that heavy and slow with a high BC delivers more energy...

regards

griff

many moons ago while having one of my try this next fits, I redid a old mod 70 into 270 wby & still have it. It is quite a loud kaboomen ear gesplitting cartridge. Great long range piece. I have only shot 150's in it. my load is 67 grains of old H4831 and a 150 gr nosler part. The double radius shoulder of the weatherbys make it a little trickier to load, and the brass is expensive, but other than that it works out find for most medium to smaller sized game. Especially at long ranges.

Go for the 7 Rem Mag Griff. You know it makes sense.

Catch you later.

griff

I picked the 7mm Wby because of the long neck. 7mm Wby has a larger selection of bullets and ammo than 270Wby. I prefer 160-175 grain bullets in 7mm mag. Some 7mm rem mag owners has experienced problem with pressure spikes etc.

Cheers
/JOHAN

My favorite thing about the 270 Weatherby, is that it can be downloaded to a Mild 270 velocity....

Ny favorite thing about the 7 Mags is that can be downloaded to a 7 x 57 velocity....

the second thing I like about the two Mags, is that you get a 26 inch barrel and I like that a lot also....

cheers
seafire

I have a 270 weatherby, a 7mm rem mag, and 2 270 winchesters. To me the two mags are ballistic twins and come into their own with heavy bullets. I don't see any practical advatage to 270, 7mm, or for that matter 300 mags unless you'e shooting heavier bullets...than you can see some differences vs 270, 280, or 30-06. I do favor the 270 weatherby over the 7mm rem mag if forced to chose but I'm not sure I can tell you exactly why.

Griff As most have pointed out there is very little difference between the 270 Wby and the 7mm Rem. You did however ask about magazine length. You have not mentioned if you are a handloader or would be using factory ammo. While the cases are very similar in length and will both fit in your long action Savage magazine,there are other things you may want to consider. Best accuracy is usually obtained when the bullets are seated quite close to the rifling. If a rifle has a short throat it is usually possible to seat the bullets just short of touching the rifling and still not exceed the maximum length of your magazine. Wby calibres all have a very long throat or "freebore" . In most rifles chambered in a Wby cal it is not possible to have the bullets seated out just short of the rifling still function through the magazine . Most gunsmiths will not chamber a short throat Wby caliber because factory ammo may develope excessive pressure. Many Wby caliber rifles deliver very good accuracy but if I were going to re-barrel I would give serious consideration to a 7mm Rem with a std throat.

A 130 grain triple shock at 3400 fps is just amazing. Not needed, but non the less increadible. I plink with mine around 3000 fps to save on barrel life and still have a half moa load. The freebore has not been an issue with my rifle. If the rifle and ammo are square the freebore will not be an issue. Not everyone has a 270 Wthby, which might be another reason to like it. Between Partitions, triple shocks and accubonds you have plenty of great bullets to choose from. The rifle is heavier than I normally like but thats not that big of a deal.

Dear all,
some will already ready know that I have finally divorced the 25-06 and gone off with a 264 win mag! Sorry Tim 7mm rem mag was to hot for me handle.. And the weatherby was just what I wanted, but the guy who has the 264 owes me money and that makes it a cheap rifle...

regards

griff

p.s will be looking for 264 winnie loads