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Could some one who has quick load run some loads through for me for vel and pressure

416 Ruger 30 gn H 4227 behind a 400 gn cast bullet

416 Ruger 70 gns H4350 behind a 400 gn cast
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I can't find a cast bullet listed for 400grn 416 in QuickLoad.


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Just wondering You spent all that money on the rifle -brass- bullets- powder and are too cheap to get your own copy of QL?
 
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30gr of H4227 gives @ 29920 inches of mercury
70gr of H4350 gives @ 2365 tons/squarefoot

Since you didnt state what bullet the above numbers are approximate.
 
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Your specification for a cast bullet seems odd. The lead bullets can't withstand the energy a 416 Ruger will produce. They may come out as mush or fragments.

The 70 grain load is safely below loads on Hornadys website.

The 30 grain load is a squib load.

You must be fire forming cases. Those loads are not usable on big game in that rifle. Better go to jacked or copper solids.

I will suggest that any calculations obtained for pressure will be, at best, not usable or reliable.

Visit Hornady's website/load data/ for more beneficial information.
 
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Following up on your request, I ordered Quick Load. It came yesterday and I installed it today.

In the meantime I did some research and found that you are a rather enthusiastic lead bullet caster. This it is probably a matter of economics to shoot your .416 Ruger into paper targets.

One of the problems with running the Quick Load program is the dearth of .416 LEAD bullets info. Commonly available lead bullet casting dies are not available. But I found specialty customs die providers. So you must have some custom items.

It will take some extrapolation to "force fit" lead bullets to such a powerful rifle and the results from Quick Load may be skewed a little bit but I think it will be in the ball park of safety.

Do you want to pursue this further?

Addendum:

I'll include more comment about shooting lead bullets at high velocity. You should/will experience significant leading in the barrel.
 
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The guestimates i gave are quite accurate and by max. pressure standards wery modest.
I extrapolated a 1.3" long lead slug and put in the 400grains weight.
 
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Per your request:

70 gr. H4350 - 400 cast.

36,375 psi - 2015 fps

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30 gr. H 4227 - 400 cast.

17,153 psi. - 1415 fps.
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I'm assuming that you are primarily shooting on range. However, let me interject that those parameters fit the old performance in the USA in the 1870's when the Bison hunters shot 2,000 pound bison upto 500 yards and put them down with the same lead bullets and velocities in the black powder 45-70's.

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Dane:

Thanks. I'm presently correlating and researching your calculations to do the conversion Danish to American National standards to SAAMI specs and the National Institute Bureau of standards in Washington, DC.

In the meantime take with you that Victor Borge was one of my favorite comedians.
 
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thanks so much for the info
i just wanted to get a bit of a feel of where i am pressure wise with my loads
i basically went to cast bullets in the big bores for one reason cost...here in Australia a box of SAF/TSX/NOSLERS in 416 cal costs me around the $120/50 plus primers powder , so an afternoon s shooting becomes pretty expensive, on top of that with 50-100 rounds of full power loads you end up with a bit of concussion
and seeing funny things.....
with my plinking load i can shoot it all week and there are no concussion issues.....i will disagree with you on the point that a 400 gn bullet going @ 1500 fps is a sqib .....i was suprised how much punch that bullet has even at that low velocity

with my 30 gn load of H4227 behind the 400 gn cast bullet i get no leading and i got a group of 1.6 inches @ 100 yards....but i think i could still shrink that a bit
with my load of 70 gns of H4350 I GOT BAD LEADING...after 6 shots the bore was a grey colour....so leading was significant....thou i put 4 shots into 1.3 inches @100 yards.....however the bullets i was shooting had a hardness of 14BNH so that explains the problem.....im going to heat treat the next batch and see what the leading is going to be like with harder bullets

Any way thanks for the info much appreciated....it gives me a bit of an idea at what hardness i need to have the cast bullets to run them at a certain velocity
PS im planning to shoot a sambar deer with this load ...thats how impressed im with this SQIB load

Regards Daniel
 
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